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    Clan can you explain to me just exactly what you see as anti-Semitic in that post?
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    And carried the soul in my palm, For an Arab Palestine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golah veNekhar View Post
    Yes which started in 18 th century but it did not produce any great fruits culturally until the 19 th century. I said before the 19 th century. Also the Haskalah was very much an Ashkenazi things- the Hasidic movement kept it out of a lot of the lands of Yiddish Jewry. Look I am not saying that Talmudic and Kabbalahistic stuff is not ingenious in it's own way however to some one who is non-Jewish it is going to be basically bewildering nonsense, the Rambam can shall we say be troubling at times but he is also very approachable for Non-Jews among whom he was very influential as a philosopher. Before the 19 th century there was no Jewish equivalents to say Sa'ad al-Dawla, who was a genius both as statesman in the wider society and as a doctor, or Mashallah ibn Athari who again played an important intellectual role in the wider society, both of them being Mizrahi Jews. Do they teach about them in Israeli schools?
    Just like the Arabs used to spearhead the science and linguistic fields, but then deteriorated to the bottom of humanity, the same was true with the Jews from Sfarad.

    Many knowledgeable people grew from them, but after the ashkenazi jews escaped the backward societies in which they used to live, the Sfaradi jews deteriorated and the ashkenazi jews start flourishing. Nobel and so on...

    Israeli schools only lately were told to start teaching the Mizrahi cultural heritage.

    Except literature, usually, the teachers did not teach much about the mizrahi heritage.
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanshuf View Post
    Just like the Arabs used to spearhead the science and linguistic fields, but then deteriorated to the bottom of humanity, the same was true with the Jews from Sfarad.

    Many knowledgeable people grew from them, but after the ashkenazi jews escaped the backward societies in which they used to live, the Sfaradi jews deteriorated and the ashkenazi jews start flourishing. Nobel and so on...

    Israeli schools only lately were told to start teaching the Mizrahi cultural heritage.

    Except literature, usually, the teachers did not teach much about the mizrahi heritage.
    Arabs, and by that I take it you mean Arabic speaking peoples, are not the bottom of humanity by any means, they have their cultural pathologies but so does everyone else, Western White Europeans have an absolute ton of cultural pathologies at the moment . Remember your paternal grandfather most likely spoke Arabic so that would make him by your standards an Arab.

    I am not in to victim blaming but Zionism loves victim blaming so what the hell- if the Ashkenazi and Yiddish embrace of modernity was so brilliant than why did both Zionism and the Shoah happen? One of my great Jewish heroes and I discovered him through Shia Muslims trying to convert me to Islam is Hans-Joachim Schoeps because one of his few books that have made it into English basically seems to confirm some of their ideas about early Christianity. He was a genius, every thing the so-called "New Perspectives on Paul" was basically lifted whole sale from him, however though he remained a member of the Conservative movement in Rabbinic Judaism (for others Conservative movement in Rabbinic Judaism was and is a half way house between Orthodox and Reform)- however hysterical Yiddish with some Ashkenazim involved ethnic academic activists have shoved him down the memory hole over a book he wrote in the 1932 "We German Jews" or if you will Wir Deutschen Juden, and yes the book is crazy but it is also fascinating- basically wanted Eastern European Jewry gone from Germany and he believed that German Jews should prove make real efforts into patching things up with Hitler. This of course was crazy talk however he masterfully argues it and has well very polished self-criticisms of the Jewish Establishment in Germany at the time while just pours out unbridled wrath on the Ostjuden/Yiddish Jews as a whole as well as Zionist and Communist Jews. Ashkenazi and Yiddish Jews basically made a disaster of modernity if we are going to look at things coldly. You do not get more disastrous than the Hitler regime's treatment of Jews unless you happen to live in Gaza.

    Max Nordau predicted the Shoah in pretty stark what would be considered today anti-Semitic terms and he was of course one of the leading figures in the early Zionist movement. Of course survivors of Hitler's camps were treated particularly harshly by the Zionist regime after the war and still in effect basically are in Israel/Palestine.

    Yeah it is only now that they are teaching about Mizrahi and Sephardi things even though most Jews in Israel/Palestine are not Ashkenazi or Yiddish, and I am sure it is only brief things and nasty things Muzzies things take certain stage. The Knesset banned Kach for racism however Rabbi Meir Kahane was no racist, David Ben Gurion was a racist and deeply so, Kahane was a Jewish supremacist who stuck up for brown and black Jews. The one thing Kahane hated really hated was hypocrisy and he would call it out wherever he saw it. Despite myself I have a lot of admiration for Rabbi Meir Kahane.
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    Ratio, you do realize that this post of yours is nothing but nonsense.

    Gazans are free to leave Gaza, while Jews were not.

    Gazans have stocked explosives, missiles, ammunition and other means of terror inside the strip.

    They had the chance to create their own heaven. They declined. Instead they invest in terrorism.

    As for David Ben Gurion, I don't think he was a racist, only a realist.

    Kahane was a just like the iranian mullahs.

    As for why zionism and shoah happened - zionism happened because of European hatred to Jews, and the shoah happened because the jews didn't want to believe the Europeans can hate Jews so much.
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    If only the settlers would head off to other settled new territories like Australia
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    Quote Originally Posted by yanshuf View Post
    Ratio, you do realize that this post of yours is nothing but nonsense.

    Gazans are free to leave Gaza, while Jews were not.

    Gazans have stocked explosives, missiles, ammunition and other means of terror inside the strip.

    They had the chance to create their own heaven. They declined. Instead they invest in terrorism.

    As for David Ben Gurion, I don't think he was a racist, only a realist.

    Kahane was a just like the iranian mullahs.

    As for why zionism and shoah happened - zionism happened because of European hatred to Jews, and the shoah happened because the jews didn't want to believe the Europeans can hate Jews so much.
    Gazans are not free to leave Gaza. The Zionists never intended to carry out the Oslo accords sparking the second intifada and the rise of Hamas. Hamas have said that they are happy to have a permanent ceasefire with the Zionist entity though yeah they are not going to say publicly that establishing Settler Colonialist regime in Palestine was a wonderful thing.

    I don't think Ben Gurion hated the indigenous Palestinians, he even wrote a book saying that they were the most ethnically pure Jews- he saw Jews as a race- which after 1929 and you will know the significance of that date he had suppressed. However he was callously indifferent to them and by at least 1948 he wanted to basically re-create an Eastern European Shtel in the Levant and anyone who got in his way would be dealt with brutally. Hannah Arendt and Martin Buber pleaded with him to allow back in those expelled by his thugs saying rightly, this was before Israel got nuclear bombs however which has changed a lot, that he was cutting the throat of the new state. Callous indifference to the non-Jew could easily be called racism. Certainly the sadistic medical experiments he authorized to be carried out on hundreds of Yemeni Jewish infants was racism straight out.

    I greatly admire Ruhollah Khomeini, I also if I am going to be honest despite all the ethical problems with the character I greatly admire Meir Kahane which is not to say that I endorse his ideology or do not see it as evil, however I believe in giving credit where credit is due. His book Forty Years is on an artistic level a literary masterpiece.

    Zionism happened for all sorts of reasons however you hit on something important there- Zionisms weird relationship with the larger Europe. Ben Gurion declared "We are in the Orient only by location". The whole fetishization of "Europeanness" and being Western has and is a big part of Zionism, for Herzl and Max Nordau their Zionism was about proving that Jews could be as good Westerners as any one else. A lot of people on here defend and support Zionism because they see it as an outpost of European civilization in the middle east. Yet at the same time within it you have the hatred of non-Jewish Europeans as intrinsically anti-Semitic, violent, cruel, etc. Caroline Glick has labeled Palestinian resistance as down to them being duped into by Europeans- nothing Jews have done. So there is this weird and pathological love/hate relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golah veNekhar View Post
    Gazans are not free to leave Gaza. The Zionists never intended to carry out the Oslo accords sparking the second intifada and the rise of Hamas. Hamas have said that they are happy to have a permanent ceasefire with the Zionist entity though yeah they are not going to say publicly that establishing Settler Colonialist regime in Palestine was a wonderful thing.

    I don't think Ben Gurion hated the indigenous Palestinians, he even wrote a book saying that they were the most ethnically pure Jews- he saw Jews as a race- which after 1929 and you will know the significance of that date he had suppressed. However he was callously indifferent to them and by at least 1948 he wanted to basically re-create an Eastern European Shtel in the Levant and anyone who got in his way would be dealt with brutally. Hannah Arendt and Martin Buber pleaded with him to allow back in those expelled by his thugs saying rightly, this was before Israel got nuclear bombs however which has changed a lot, that he was cutting the throat of the new state. Callous indifference to the non-Jew could easily be called racism. Certainly the sadistic medical experiments he authorized to be carried out on hundreds of Yemeni Jewish infants was racism straight out.

    Zionism happened for all sorts of reasons however you hit on something important there- Zionisms weird relationship with the larger Europe. Ben Gurion declared "We are in the Orient only by location". The whole fetishization of "Europeanness" and being Western has and is a big part of Zionism, for Herzl and Max Nordau their Zionism was about proving that Jews could be as good Westerners as any one else. A lot of people on here defend and support Zionism because they see it as an outpost of European civilization in the middle east. Yet at the same time within it you have the hatred of non-Jewish Europeans as intrinsically anti-Semitic, violent, cruel, etc. Caroline Glick has labeled Palestinian resistance as down to them being duped into by Europeans- nothing Jews have done. So there is this weird and pathological love/hate relationship.

    If Gazans are not free to live the Gaza strip, it's only Hamas' fault. Israel is not preventing them from leaving the strip.

    And there are thousands who have already left the Gaza strip.

    As for the Oslo war, well, it was premeditated by Arafat (not the timing, but the events that pursued). Arafat and after him Abbas were offered 97% of the territories Judenrein, with 3% land swap. They rejected the deals, as usual.


    I greatly admire Ruhollah Khomeini, I also if I am going to be honest despite all the ethical problems with the character I greatly admire Meir Kahane which is not to say that I endorse his ideology or do not see it as evil, however I believe in giving credit where credit is due. His book Forty Years is on an artistic level a literary masterpiece.
    Good for you!
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    The settler lobby and its powerful allies in the Israeli political system have raised a stink about the alleged abuse of Jewish terror suspects, including the boys involved in this case. Their advocates complain that such treatment is a violation of Israeli democracy and the rights of citizens. It’s a troubling irony that these apologists for Palestinian murder only care about Israeli democracy when it suits their interest.
    They have no interest in the subject in any other context; least of all extending it to Jewish leftists or Palestinians, whether citizens or those living under Israeli Occupation.

    Even more troubling is their complaint about torture.
    They scream bloody murder when one of their own is abused.
    But their sense of outrage isn’t aroused in the least when Palestinian security suspects endure far worse treatment including, in some cases, rape and methods that cause severe, lasting emotional and physical damage.

    BREAKING: Settler Suspects in Murder of Palestinian Mother Name Alleged Killer - Tikun Olam תיקון עולם
    "You think thats bad,theres one lunatic that posts on there 40-50 times a day..He's alone..in bad company!

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