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Thread: Wind Turbines: The end is nigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    Christ on a bike - wind has made FA difference to their dependence on coal, what part of that fact is still beyond you??
    but the bike is broken

    Electricity from renewables topped coal in Germany for first time in 2018


    Coal is now in Germanyís rear-view mirror. In 2018, 40% of the countryís electricity mix came from wind, solar, biomass and hydroelectric sources. Thatís up 4.3 percentage points over 2017, and topped coal generation (38% of the total) for the first time, according to the Fraunhofer research group. The bulk of the clean power came from onshore and offshore wind capacity (20.4% of total output) and solar (8.4% of total output).

    Germany, Europeís largest economy, is steadily retiring its coal and nuclear power plants as it seeks to cut carbon emissions over the coming decades. The country will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 40% next year, and by 95% in 2050, compared to 1990 levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    Electricity prices soar by third over year - Independent.ie

    This is the level of economic ignorance those who push wind at any cost are burdened with. Its clear that the wind groupies hate the poor as well as the rural communities who have to put up with these giant elephants
    Largest portion of this increase is the increase of CO2 certificates price. Be sure this price is only going up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Largest portion of this increase is the increase of CO2 certificates price. Be sure this price is only going up.
    When we start more virtue signaling by quatas for stored energy the price will increase. It only makes sense to store intermittent renewable energy.

    Storing energy involves a number of cost elements:

    (1)The Capital Cost of the storage system
    (2) The Capital and financing cost of each marketable Storage Cycle.
    (3) The round trip energy efficiency of each storage cycle regarding energy in to energy finally delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Renewable Energy Certificates are no longer only about Renewable Electricity. Now Renewable Certificates for Cooling and Heating can be Traded between EU Nations to meet National Targets, per the latest Renewable Energy Directive.






    Article 15
    Guarantees of origin of electricity, heating and cooling
    produced from renewable energy sources
    1. For the purposes of proving to final customers the share or
    quantity of energy from renewable sources in an energy supplierís energy mix in accordance with Article 3(6) of Directive
    2003/54/EC, Member States shall ensure that the origin of electricity produced from renewable energy sources can be guaranteed as such within the meaning of this Directive, in accordance
    with objective, transparent and non-discriminatory criteria.
    2. To that end, Member States shall ensure that a guarantee of
    origin is issued in response to a request from a producer of electricity from renewable energy sources. Member States may
    arrange for guarantees of origin to be issued in response to a
    request from producers of heating and cooling from renewable
    energy sources. Such an arrangement may be made subject to a
    minimum capacity limit. A guarantee of origin shall be of the
    standard size of 1 MWh. No more than one guarantee of origin
    shall be issued in respect of each unit of energy produced.
    Member States shall ensure that the same unit of energy from
    renewable sources is taken into account only once.
    Member States may provide that no support be granted to a producer when that producer receives a guarantee of origin for the
    same production of energy from renewable sources.
    The guarantee of origin shall have no function in terms of a Member Stateís compliance with Article 3. Transfers of guarantees of
    origin, separately or together with the physical transfer of energy,
    shall have no effect on the decision of Member States to use statistical transfers, joint projects or joint support schemes for target
    compliance or on the calculation of the gross final consumption
    of energy from renewable sources in accordance with Article 5.
    3. Any use of a guarantee of origin shall take place within 12
    months of production of the corresponding energy unit. A guarantee of origin shall be cancelled once it has been used.
    4. Member States or designated competent bodies shall supervise the issuance, transfer and cancellation of guarantees of origin. The designated competent bodies shall have non-overlapping
    geographical responsibilities, and be independent of production,
    trade and supply activities.
    5. Member States or the designated competent bodies shall put
    in place appropriate mechanisms to ensure that guarantees of origin shall be issued, transferred and cancelled electronically and are
    accurate, reliable and fraud-resistant.
    6. A guarantee of origin shall specify at least:
    (a) the energy source from which the energy was produced and
    the start and end dates of production;
    (b) whether it relates to:
    (i) electricity; or
    (ii) heating or cooling;
    (c) the identity, location, type and capacity of the installation
    where the energy was produced;
    (d) whether and to what extent the installation has benefited
    from investment support, whether and to what extent the
    unit of energy has benefited in any other way from a national
    support scheme, and the type of support scheme;
    (e) the date on which the installation became operational; and
    (f) the date and country of issue and a unique identification
    number.
    7. Where an electricity supplier is required to prove the share
    or quantity of energy from renewable sources in its energy mix
    for the purposes of Article 3(6) of Directive 2003/54/EC, it may
    do so by using its guarantees of origin.
    8. The amount of energy from renewable sources corresponding to guarantees of origin transferred by an electricity supplier to
    a third party shall be deducted from the share of energy from
    renewable sources in its energy mix for the purposes of
    Article 3(6) of Directive 2003/54/EC.
    9. Member States shall recognise guarantees of origin issued by
    other Member States in accordance with this Directive exclusively
    as proof of the elements referred to in paragraph 1 and paragraph 6(a) to (f). A Member State may refuse to recognise a guarantee of origin only when it has well-founded doubts about its
    accuracy, reliability or veracity. The Member State shall notify the
    Commission of such a refusal and its justification.
    10. If the Commission finds that a refusal to recognise a guarantee of origin is unfounded, the Commission may adopt a decision requiring the Member State in question to recognise it.
    11. A Member State may introduce, in conformity with Community law, objective, transparent and non-discriminatory criteria for the use of guarantees of origin in complying with the
    obligations laid down in Article 3(6) of Directive 2003/54/EC.
    12. Where energy suppliers market energy from renewable
    sources to consumers with a reference to environmental or other
    benefits of energy from renewable sources, Member States may
    require those energy suppliers to make available, in summary
    form, information on the amount or share of energy from renewable sources that comes from installations or increased capacity
    that became operational after 25 June 2009.


    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...9L0028&from=EN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbontax View Post
    When we start more virtue signaling by quatas for stored energy the price will increase. It only makes sense to store intermittent renewable energy.

    Storing energy involves a number of cost elements:

    (1)The Capital Cost of the storage system
    (2) The Capital and financing cost of each marketable Storage Cycle.
    (3) The round trip energy efficiency of each storage cycle regarding energy in to energy finally delivered.
    Your wasting your time with the wind powered alarmist on here - their ignorance of basic economics is only matched by their ignorance of the basic principles of running a national grid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Largest portion of this increase is the increase of CO2 certificates price. Be sure this price is only going up.
    Its clear wind is adding huge costs to the grid with little to show for in return

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    in reality

    Germany POLITICO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    in reality

    Germany POLITICO
    As long as Germany misses "sustainable" targets we dont need to worry about Carbon fines.
    The EU 2050 Strategy is ultimately based on a practical economic Carbon Storage Technolgy. Still no sign of one turning up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbontax View Post
    As long as Germany misses "sustainable" targets we dont need to worry about Carbon fines.
    The EU 2050 Strategy is ultimately based on a practical economic Carbon Storage Technolgy. Still no sign of one turning up.
    Exactly. I wonder if all the money spent on wind etc were given to research in liaison with the big companies would they come up with a way to capture carbon. they won't pay tax, but they might spend on this and if they cracked it, it would be a breakthrough.

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    Well, from January 1, 2018, CO2 certificates are officially recognized as a form of a financial instrument and are being traded on the open market. The certificates price nearly instantly increased by 150% (from 1 Jan 2018 to 30 Nov 2018) making non-renewable energy much more expensive, hence the electricity price increases around Europe in the recent year. Higher the dependency on fossil fuels, larger the shock. This is the reality.

    The certificate for 1 ton of co2 emission cost 8 Euro at the start of 2018 increasing to 20.5 Euro in November 2018 and it's estimated to reach 30-35 Euro in 2019 and due to the climate policy is set to increase further over time. Make your calculations.


    This doesn't take into account horrendous healthcare costs associated with bad air quality and inhaling cancerogenous particles. If you add this up, you'll find that the long term cost of not moving quickly to renewable is much, much higher.


    I won't even mention the quality of life, as it's difficult to measure but anyone with a brain prefers to breath fresh air.

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