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    The asylum claims by Pakistanis are particularly ridiculous. They're getting student visas for England and when those expire they're arriving here via Northern Ireland, of course a big pull initially was these language schools which thankfully seem to mostly be going out of business. There should be no question of Afghans or Pakistanis or Nigerians being allowed to claim asylum. We should have a system where all claims are processed from start to finish within 6 months, where claimants have to have their clothing with them when they have their hearing and if a claim is rejected they are detained and deported the same day.

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    Ah shure, that's only auld Phil - he has form as a bootboy for Enda. He wouldn't be talking up the 'disaster' of the speeded-up demise of the EU and his nice cushy job, now would he?

    If the Calais thugs and chancers arrive here, it will speed up the establishment of a party advocating a proper system of immigration control whose polities the populists in FF and FG will promptly adopt. We badly need a UKIP-style party south of the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaraW View Post
    Ireland must promote itself to refugees, conference hears

    I thought they were fleeing for their lifes so why would we need to "promote ourselves" to them? Bizarre stuff.
    We should tell them what our property prices are like.
    Oh yeah, I forgot. They get free homes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JacquesHughes View Post
    On 26 April the Austrian parliament passed 'tough' new asylum laws, establishing the government's power to close Austria's borders to many (possibly all; it's a bit unclear) asylum seekers during an influx 'emergency'.
    Migrant crisis: Austria passes controversial new asylum law - BBC News

    Outraged MEPs in the euro parliament seem to be focussing their opposition on the possibility of Austria building a fence around the Brenner pass entry point (from Italy) in anticipation of this summer's arrivals from Libya.
    MEPs urge Juncker to stand against Austria border fence – EurActiv.com
    The Socialist group is saying this. Enlargement has given the EP a semi permanent Centre Right majority, but Socialist Martin Schulz was crowned EP president because of businesses as usual stitch ups between the EPP and the SD group. The EPP and ALDE (Liberal) group have a majority between them but the EP is centre Right if you include the Eurosceptic groups like ECR and EFD.
    Be the Wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacquesHughes View Post
    Yesterday was an historic day for the EU- the first mass return of 'refugees' from the EU to a (hastily declared) 'safe' but unattractive country (Turkey) which has contracted a treaty with the EU to accept them, oiled along with inducements for the State of Turkey. The 202 returned had declined to make claims for asylum. 130 were from Pakistan, and others from Iraq, Iran, Morocco and other countries. Another 2800 asylum seekers have remained on Lesbos in order to pursue their claim individually through whatever process the Greek authorities can set up for such vast numbers (1 million last year).
    Migrants returned to Turkey from Greece under EU deal - BBC News

    In compensation the first selected Syrian refugees have been flown to Germany from refugee camps in Turkey- their number capped at 72000 per year.
    EU asylum laws have apparently not been changed, but the principles have been distorted. The only hope for 'success' of the policy is that a 'culture of expectation' is being changed throughout many Asian and African countries, so that millions are less confident that irregular travel to Europe will have a personally good outcome.

    Comment: It has been necessary 'in the end' (but actually, we're nowhere near the end) to recognise (as should have been done all along) the special position of the Syrian refugees; but much, much more should be done to stabilise huge populations in the Third World which see little reason to stay at home. Some of them are:

    - shelter in a European country should be temporary (for the duration of the crisis) not permanent
    - asylum should be for that presenting persecuted individual, not automatically for his entire family
    - university fees should not be 'paid' but funded as loans with an expectation of being repaid
    - legal challenges to a government decision to refuse asylum should be heard in a safe country outside europe

    - the countries producing bona fide refugees should be getting comprehensively thumped by smart sanctions
    - the countries producing economic migrants should be getting effective help to relocate economic activity eg agriculture from Europe to those countries
    - foreign policies (intervention etc) by European countries should consider their likely destabilising effect upon vulnerable populations
    ( I have not been able to think up a way to protect those vulnerable in our own society from direct competition for subsidised social housing. The concept of such housing probably needs rethought.)



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    Trying to have a "sensible" outlook to immigration? Sure ..........you're just a racist murdering paedophile despot....or something akin to that..
    Tear down the welfare state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    We will continue to have a shambles of an asylum system until we renegotiate or withdraw from the 1952 Refugee Convention which in no way takes into account the ease of international air travel and the freedom of movement in the EU.
    Correct. Though for some people, the UN has taken on some sort of quasi-religious authority and such talk is heresy. Prime among them would be people like our President and fringe extremists like Aodhan O'Riordan.
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    Minnie me at it again hope this twee twit does not get re elected President again, Sean Gallagher was a better option .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunnyfunt View Post
    Trying to have a "sensible" outlook to immigration? Sure ..........you're just a racist murdering paedophile despot....or something akin to that..
    What are you name caller for a start and you don't even know the person .

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    Default Places in the news- Gabon.

    Recently, in a single day, the international rescue mission 'plucked' 6500 would be migrants from unseaworthy craft off the coast of Libya. Most wish to live in Europe, through the legal mechanism of seeking political asylum. Journalists reported they were mainly from sub-Saharan Africa.

    Gabon is going through some political turmoil at present.Africa - BBC News
    What do we know about this new possible source of refugees?

    Gabon is a comparatively small African country, squeezed between Cameroon and Republic of Congo. It probably has some lonely people as it's population of 2 million (approximately) live over a surface area very close to that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (267,000 sq km; UK is 243,000 sq km). It has a useful stretch of coastline, and is stuffed with natural resources (oil, uranium, manganese) which have been affected by the collapse in commodity prices (see Chinese slow down elsewhere).
    GDP per capita is $18,600 (very inequally distributed)- about 4 times the sub-Saharan average. Unemployment is estimated at 21%. https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/gb.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacquesHughes View Post
    Recently, in a single day, the international rescue mission 'plucked' 6500 would be migrants from unseaworthy craft off the coast of Libya. Most wish to live in Europe, through the legal mechanism of seeking political asylum. Journalists reported they were mainly from sub-Saharan Africa.

    Gabon is going through some political turmoil at present.Africa - BBC News
    What do we know about this new possible source of refugees?

    Gabon is a comparatively small African country, squeezed between Cameroon and Republic of Congo. It probably has some lonely people as it's population of 2 million (approximately) live over a surface area very close to that of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (267,000 sq km; UK is 243,000 sq km). It has a useful stretch of coastline, and is stuffed with natural resources (oil, uranium, manganese) which have been affected by the collapse in commodity prices (see Chinese slow down elsewhere).
    GDP per capita is $18,600 (very inequally distributed)- about 4 times the sub-Saharan average. Unemployment is estimated at 21%. https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/gb.html
    Gabon has been ruled by the same family for 50 years and it's down to the people to put an end to that if they don't like it. The President Ali Bongo(real name) looks as corrupt as they come. All said and done, life sucks in Africa and we should stop giving billions in Aid to be divided between the corrupt dictators and their supporters. There should be no asylum for Africans in Ireland, there's an awful lot of Nigerians here already.

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