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Thread: Paradoxically, high nursing pay causing shortages of nurses

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    Quote Originally Posted by bang bang View Post
    People in Ireland aren't stupid to vote for PBP in any significant numbers.
    The total share of votes of populist parties and uncooperative independent TDs suggest otherwise. That said, the establishment political parties repeatedly have sacrificed the public interest for political gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Darling View Post
    Also add to that Ireland employ about 1/3 more nurses per head of population them the UK do. plus the Nurses union have for years being blocking in a turf war the introduction of a grade known as Nursing Assistants
    The Nurses union could teach a thing or two to those American unions formerly controlled by mafias!

    The fact that our governments tolerate such nasty restrictive practices shows a mix of ineptitude, political pandering and defeatism in negotiating with public sector unions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Darling View Post
    Also add to that Ireland employ about 1/3 more nurses per head of population them the UK do. plus the Nurses union have for years being blocking in a turf war the introduction of a grade known as Nursing Assistants
    LOUSY PRODUCTIVITY?
    What are the extra one third doing? Dealing with pen and ink files instead of desktop computerised files? Promoted as chiefs in situations where there are "more chiefs than Indians"? Working fewer hours than their English counterparts with the exception of A&E? Lousy productivity suggested by that one third number needs to be tackled. What chance is there the bureaucratic HSE will do so instead of begging for more hundreds of millions each year in extra budgets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruman View Post
    According to the Euro Health Consumer Index 2017 our health service is ranked the 24th best out of 34.
    Accordingly i would suggest benchmarking health service salaries against higher performing countries such as Macedonia and Serbia or Montenegro who finished just behind us. We were placed 21st in 2016 but given the drop of 3 places the Minister should consider reducing salaries accordingly.


    https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/E...017-report.pdf
    WAITING TILL DEATH OR MAJOR HEALTH DECLINE
    The commentary on Ireland underlines the worst waiting lists of all countries:
    1.3.24
    Ireland
    24th place, 630 points (out of 1,000)
    Ireland drops in the Index for two main reasons:
    In 2017, Ireland is alone in last position for Accessibility, with patient organisations steadily
    giving very pessimistic feedback in the HCP survey.
    Unfortunately, this was confirmed by the Irish HSE and MoH
    after the release of the EHCI
    2015 report, when they said in a memo that the programme initiated to reduce healthcare
    waiting times in Ireland aims at a target of no more than 18 months’ (!) wait for a specialist
    appointment. Even if and when that target
    is reached, it will still be the worst waiting time
    situation in Europe.
    Also the tightening of Outcomes criteria deprived Ireland of some previous higher scores.
    Ireland no longer has a total ban on abortion. The requirement that a woman wishing an
    abortion becomes subject to judgement on if the pregnancy should be regarded as a
    serious health hazard, including suicide risk, is a very minor step indeed towards abortion
    as a women’s right, hence the purple score on this indicator

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    This is an interesting strike for right wingers who believe the market decides! The market here shows pay more for nurses so man up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackryan View Post
    This is an interesting strike for right wingers who believe the market decides! The market here shows pay more for nurses so man up!
    No it doesn't, the market shows that there is not a recruitment and retention issue
    There is no Keyser Soze

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    7,758 nurses are in management positions, which seems a lot out of a total of 37,525
    There is no Keyser Soze

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    Average earnings for nurses is €57,000.
    Strip out higher paid specialist and management roles, average earnings for staff nurse is €51,000.
    There is no Keyser Soze

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackryan View Post
    This is an interesting strike for right wingers who believe the market decides! The market here shows pay more for nurses so man up!
    Nice try, unfortunately the matter was investigated and you are completely wrong:

    No problem recruiting and retaining nurses, pay report finds

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    maybe the Bosses in HSE should scrap positions they have difficulty filling.This is very common in private industry in order to stop recruitment and to lay staff off.In the HSE the likes of specialists, consultants ..etc; the head Honchos could do a rebranding job and call them "Advanced Nursing Specialists in........ (Oncology,Paediatry,Opthalomology,Renal, Gastro-Intestinal ,...........).Put a whole list of letters after their titles and qualifications to hoodwink them into accepting lower wages and lower standards.It is par for the course, today people have numerous certs, diplomas, degrees but it is not a guarantee for a good salary and steady job to raise a family here and pay a mortgage that is 50% higher interest payment than on the continent.How come the same sized house and similar locations in Ireland and in Belgium/Holland/Austria costs higher interests on the mortgage within the same monetary union in the Eurozone?
    According to the Slattman Pat and his B & W Cat there is no problem in recruiting nursing staff so this should solve the recruiting problems within weeks and by next summer the HSE will be the land of Nirvana and the Lotus Eaters.
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