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Thread: Console Charity - Are Irish charities a money making machine for their founders

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    You couldn`t meet a more honest person than the accountant Jim Luby.

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    Money making machine for those that may be dishonest. Most charities hopefully are run for the right reasons still.
    Are they though, how do you know that. All they seem to do in a lot of cases is rake in a lot of money and spend the vast majority of it on advertising and staffing. There was a case in the UK where an elderly person killed themselves from the stress of mail from so many charities.

    What charities are open and transparent, where the figures are public and all spending is clear as day? And is doing good work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    How come also it takes a year for the report to be prepared. Surely there was a need for the report to be expediated ?
    How come RTE is exposing this. Where is the charity regulator. This didn't happen today or yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damus View Post
    It doesn't, a group of forensic accountants can go in to these organisations and expeditiously do a forensic analysis of their records and activities relating to the grant funding and how the monies are being expended.
    But who does the analysis. Who picks the accountants. You can pick rogue accountants. Do charities not have financial audits or are they exempt?
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    I was so disgusted watching this that I have decided to set up my own charity to act as a watchdog. All contributions please to my Lagos account.
    I wonder would Miriam become a patron. I know she has her knockers but she would be a good front for it. Genuinely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmonica View Post
    Those are the real questions. These are health services which the HSE is outsourcing. There might be historical reasons for how this emerged (possibly pre-HSE in health board era/) but it doesn't mean it correct for it to continue. Could it really be that its cheaper to pay 80% of "charity" budget & let them them fund raise for the remaining 20% than provide 100% of funding inside the HSE?

    I don't know the answer to this. But there is another question, which really struck me with Rehab, and Brendan O'Connor of RTE has spoken about it. Why should you have to go to a charity for services with a begging bowl. You should be entitled to it, not be a deserving case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Davison View Post
    I don't know the answer to this. But there is another questions, which really struck me with Rehab, and Brendan O'Connor of RTE has spoken about it. Why should you have to go to a charity for services with a begging bowl. You should be entitled to it, not be a deserving case.
    Ah now. Leave it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by freewillie View Post
    Ah now. Leave it out
    I don't know what this means but I presume you are referring to O'Connor. Say what you like about him but he has been an absolutely magnificient spokesperson for people with Down Syndrom's and what the families are up against getting support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Davison View Post
    But who does the analysis. Who picks the accountants. You can pick rogue accountants. Do charities not have financial audits or are they exempt?
    Some charities have an audit exemption and they produce bridged rather than a full set of accounts which doesn't have the same degree of transparency in respect to income and items of expenditure. In the case that I am talking about, the company went from producing a full to a bridged set of accounts. The grant funder was conducting an audit as part of its oversight of a particular funding programme and that's the basis upon which the accountants went in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Davison View Post
    I don't know what this means but I presume you are referring to O'Connor. Say what you like about him but he has been an absolutely magnificient spokesperson for people with Down Syndrom's and what the families are up against getting support.
    It means I agree with you 100 per cent but the Government don't want anyone asking that question and the big wigs at the top of the charities ripping them off want their goodies maintained

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    but the will is not there because of the cozy Establishment circle that is operating in Ireland.


    Have not seen the program but which politicians did Kelly hang his hat on, not possible to do what he did without their support and thereon Govt funding.

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