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    Disgraceful that Kushner (as revealed by new emails) is trying to get UNWRA (the UN agency which looks after Palestinian refugees) shut down and is pressuring Jordan to revoke refugee status from its 2 million Palestinian refugees. Also Senator James Lankford (R-Oklahoma) is pushing a bill to force the Dept of State to certify by 2020 that the (approx 5 million) descendents of the 700,000 original refugees are not considered refugees. This is also the Trump admins aim.

    Saeb Erekat, the Palestinian chief negotiator, has said Kushner said that the Trump admin wants to defund UNWRA and redirect funding to Jordan for refugees.

    Trump and Allies Seek End to Refugee Status for Millions of Palestinians - Foreign Policy

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    .....Kushner and Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, both proposed ending funding for UNRWA back in January. But the State Department, the Pentagon, and the U.S. intelligence community all opposed the idea, fearing in part that it could fuel violence in the region.

    The following week, the State Department announced that that United States would cut the first $125 million installment of its annual payment to UNRWA by more than half, to $60 million.

    “UNRWA has been threatening us for six months that if they don’t get a check they will close schools. Nothing has happened,” Kushner wrote in the same email....
    While a fan of Trump on some issues, I strongly oppose his Israel-Palestine policy.
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    It is inevitable that sometime in the future the state of Jordan will take over the West bank and absorb the Palestinians. And hopefully Egypt will take ove Gaza. That said Donald Trump is a New York Jew. His son in law Kushner is also. What else do you expect from them. They are Israeli government spies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redneck View Post
    It is inevitable that sometime in the future the state of Jordan will take over the West bank and absorb the Palestinians. And hopefully Egypt will take ove Gaza. That said Donald Trump is a New York Jew. His son in law Kushner is also. What else do you expect from them. They are Israeli government spies.
    He said himself on several occasions that his father was a Presbyterian and his mother also. This article gives the dominant religion in the Garman area where his grandfather was born as being Lutheran.

    If he is lying about his religion, why has no one called him on it? Seems to me you have Trump Derangement Syndrome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Disgraceful that Kushner (as revealed by new emails) is trying to get UNWRA (the UN agency which looks after Palestinian refugees) shut down and is pressuring Jordan to revoke refugee status from its 2 million Palestinian refugees.
    Is it though? Has maintaining the 'Palestinian' diaspora as rootless refugees (I know it helps armchair activists in the West, but I am thinking of the blameless kids born in 70 year old "refugee camps" in the Arab nations) helped matters or harmed matters? Would you call ethnic Hmong kids born in the USA "refugees"? No. So why call a child born in Lebanon to a Mother born in Lebanon, whose mother, grandmother and great-grandmother was born in Lebanon "Palestinian"? Almost none of these people fled lands controlled by Israel. What's better? Keep these people rootless so as to be useful for point scoring or give these blameless people a fair go? Kushner is right, and you're wrong.
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    None of this will happen though. Theres no way the US can gather the needed votes for this in the UN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    Is it though? Has maintaining the 'Palestinian' diaspora as rootless refugees (I know it helps armchair activists in the West, but I am thinking of the blameless kids born in 70 year old "refugee camps" in the Arab nations) helped matters or harmed matters? Would you call ethnic Hmong kids born in the USA "refugees"? No. So why call a child born in Lebanon to a Mother born in Lebanon, whose mother, grandmother and great-grandmother was born in Lebanon "Palestinian"? Almost none of these people fled lands controlled by Israel. What's better? Keep these people rootless so as to be useful for point scoring or give these blameless people a fair go? Kushner is right, and you're wrong.
    I acknowledge its questionable to maintain them as intergenerational refugees. However international law clearly allows refugees to return to their homes, something that Israel has always refused even to the original first generation of refugees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    None of this will happen though. Theres no way the US can gather the needed votes for this in the UN.
    True but they are cutting funds to the UN, which now complains of running out of money. And they have cut contributions to UNWRA also. Have no doubt though - the real aim of this is not efficiency but rather to lower the profile of the Palestinian issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Disgraceful that Kushner (as revealed by new emails) is trying to get UNWRA (the UN agency which looks after Palestinian refugees) shut down and is pressuring Jordan to revoke refugee status from its 2 million Palestinian refugees. Also Senator James Lankford (R-Oklahoma) is pushing a bill to force the Dept of State to certify by 2020 that the (approx 5 million) descendents of the 700,000 original refugees are not considered refugees. This is also the Trump admins aim.

    Saeb Erekat, the Palestinian chief negotiator, has said Kushner said that the Trump admin wants to defund UNWRA and redirect funding to Jordan for refugees.

    Trump and Allies Seek End to Refugee Status for Millions of Palestinians - Foreign Policy



    While a fan of Trump on some issues, I strongly oppose his Israel-Palestine policy.
    Why should Kushner carry the can for this on his own?

    It is just one example of the absolute chaos and dereliction in American foreign policy - with North Korea as one outstanding example. When is North Korea denuclearising? Right here, right now? Well that was two months ago. Then they were going to start by Trump's re-election bid. Now they will be setting the timetable themselves - such is the latest news. At the same time, US and American intelligence reports the North Korean program is still continuing.

    ... And Trump is swanning around bombastically praising himself for his "win" with Kim Jong Un.

    The buck stops with Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    True but they are cutting funds to the UN, which now complains of running out of money. And they have cut contributions to UNWRA also. Have no doubt though - the real aim of this is not efficiency but rather to lower the profile of the Palestinian issue.
    Wise up.

    The real motive is to coerce the Palestinians into accepting a cr*p "peace deal" that gives Israel everything, and them nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    I acknowledge its questionable to maintain them as intergenerational refugees. However international law clearly allows refugees to return to their homes, something that Israel has always refused even to the original first generation of refugees.
    So, this is about Israel really and bashing them and not about the people caught up in it. Got it.
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