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    I cycle 90% of the time in Dublin city - have done for about 16 years.

    cyclist safety would be greatly improved by a bit of common sense - such as having adequate lights and highviz in the dark and by observing the rules of the road and setting a good example. It’s a two-way street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    The video is unavailable, but from the still and my knowledge of that junction, it is clear that the car driver is completely in the wrong. They drove into a space that the truck was turning into. All the driver's attention would have been on areas where a danger might come from. Some nupty driving into the crush zone would not have been something he would reasonably have expected.
    The video is available again. The artic driver is clearly in the wrong. There is no way the car driver could have known the artic wanted to go left. Indicators automatically stay on until the requisite manouevre has been completed. It is as good as certain that the artic never put on the indicator. Even if he did, the rules of the road state that a driver must keep the indicator on until the relevant manouevre has been completed. Your insistence on blaming the accident on the car driver is making you look ridiculous. Not for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publicrealm View Post
    It’s a two-way street.
    In terms of deaths and serious injuries it's primarily a one-way street, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    The video is available again. The artic driver is clearly in the wrong. There is no way the car driver could have known the artic wanted to go left. Indicators automatically stay on until the requisite manouevre has been completed. It is as good as certain that the artic never put on the indicator. Even if he did, the rules of the road state that a driver must keep the indicator on until the relevant manouevre has been completed. Your insistence on blaming the accident on the car driver is making you look ridiculous. Not for the first time.
    Until we see the full video, as in before the car went up the inside of the truck, we cannot make a definitive judgement.

    Otherwise the points I made in post 419 stand.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    I set out the scenario that was presented in the still photo.

    I said clearly that I was setting out the scenario that was presented in the still photo.

    Whenever I saw the video I set out the scenario that was presented in the video.

    Whenever I see the full video I will set out the scenario that is presented in that.





    My point 2 still stands.



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    There is one major piece of evidence - the car got squished whenever it was in the crush zone.

    Based on what we can see, if I drove the car into that situation I would be disappointed with myself because I had not been paying sufficient attention.





    The position of the rear wheels of the trailer tells you exactly the trajectory the truck was taking whenever it was setting up for the tight turn.


    But, as I have repeatedly pointed out, we cannot say definitively what happened until we see the full video, not the edited video.

    All we can say for sure, based on this edited video, is what I have set out in my three points above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recedite View Post
    I would not agree. You could say the same about almost any law. Drink driving and speeding are measurable using instruments, it is true, but most laws are not.
    This is a cop-out by the minister and it will result in more deaths. Many of the deaths on this thread could have been avoided if this law had been put in place earlier.

    I know people who cycle in Spain (semi-retired with holiday house there) but never in Ireland.
    The main reason is that Spanish drivers give cyclists such a wide berth when overtaking, and are generally courteous to cyclists. That is not because the Spaniards are naturally polite people, its because the Spanish police rigorously enforce the 1.5 metre minimum overtaking distance.

    Their secondary reason for only cycling while in Spain is the weather!

    Here's a list of countries that take the safety of cyclists seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    In terms of deaths and serious injuries it's primarily a one-way street, actually.
    Sure but he's talking about general cyclist behaviour, which is still atrocious in some quarters in Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by publicrealm View Post
    I cycle 90% of the time in Dublin city - have done for about 16 years.

    cyclist safety would be greatly improved by a bit of common sense - such as having adequate lights and highviz in the dark and by observing the rules of the road and setting a good example. It’s a two-way street.
    Likewise i commute both by car and bike. Im also regularly on the road between 10 p.m and midnight. usually in a car ...while not very scientific i always observe the various state of cyclist lighting on my late drives.

    In total darkness About 30% have no lighting at all , nothing nada zilch usually compounded by dark clothing.About another 30% have totally inadequate lighting ,especially at the back ...single dim rear of front light ,but no high viz band jacket etc

    About 40% have high viz and excellent lighting, both front and rear and clearly take using a bike very seriously.

    There also seems to be a direct relationship between visibility and road skills/safe behaviour

    Id say , night and day , most cyclists use a helmet , around 70% (I personally think getting on a bike without a helmet is an act of gross stupidity but then I know someone killed from cycling head injuries`)

    When a car driver, I find , lack of any or adequate lighting (and as a Pedestrian Bells!) far far more irritating than the breaking of traffic lights .
    Is there any Incompetence Scandal or Corruption that would actually make the Irish electorate wake up ....It seems not, so screw em

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