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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    Two sovereign countries making decisions for the rest of the EU more like. I'd fear that this will quickly become a farce with the two behemoth countries starting to throw their weight around.
    It was how the whole European model emerged, to make sure they didn't get involved with conflicts with each other again by signing agreements. Really no big deal unless the acronym EU makes you twitch violently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Let them at it. Two sovereign countries making such decisions is a matter for themselves. We need to be building alliances too with like minded countries.
    Well put. I quite like the New Hanseatic League 'membership' (particularly due to having Finnish in-laws) but the rallying points are rather dry and uninspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    The perception of the EU as a Franco-German dominated project is problematic

    It has always been thus

    - I'm amazed you are only noticing this now.

    The Strategic implications of this are profound.

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    They actually named it the Aachen Treaty as well the madmen lol.

    For those who don't know Aachen was the political capital of the Empire of Charlemagne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    Two sovereign countries making decisions for the rest of the EU more like. I'd fear that this will quickly become a farce with the two behemoth countries starting to throw their weight around.
    They are not making any decisions for anyone else but themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by farnaby View Post
    Well put. I quite like the New Hanseatic League 'membership' (particularly due to having Finnish in-laws) but the rallying points are rather dry and uninspiring.

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    Dry and uninspiring is good. It stops people getting ahead of themselves.

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    Reading the agreement.

    It says that France and Germany will pay for more interconnected infrastructure at the border region. How is France going to pay for this without breaking EU rules (again)!? One rule for some, one rule for others.

    Also I look forward to seeing France and Germany harmonise their economic policies <Grabs popcorn>.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garza View Post
    Reading the agreement.

    It says that France and Germany will pay for more interconnected infrastructure at the border region. How is France going to pay for this without breaking EU rules (again)!? One rule for some, one rule for others.

    Also I look forward to seeing France and Germany harmonise their economic policies <Grabs popcorn>.
    File this under aspirational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recedite View Post
    Also, I see from this that France will push for Germany to get a permanent seat on the UN security council.
    In other words, the EU will push for it, and therefore we will. Nice to know we have a position on this.
    No doubt Leo will be announcing it soon.
    There will be one seat at the UN for the EU

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    The Treaty of Aachen is aimed at reversing the Treaty of Verdun [843] which broke up the Carolingian Empire



    The Treaty of Verdun, signed in August 843, was the first of the treaties that divided the Carolingian Empire into three kingdoms among the three surviving sons of Louis the Pious, who was the son of Charlemagne. The treaty, signed in Verdun-sur-Meuse, ended the three-year Carolingian Civil War.
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    What a great day for Germany and France. What a great day for Europe.

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