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Thread: France & Germany to sign Aachen Treaty - core within a core?

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    In which case the EU shouldn't expect money from Poland and Hungary.

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    Fear not, I am sure France and Germany will be keen to submit their Aachen accord to the scrutiny of the rest of the EU, ha ha, ha ha ha...

    Reminds me that back in the early noughties there was a proposal to limit member state borrowing to 3% of GDP (which seems rather quaint now when 103% of GDP seems more popular).

    Wonder how many people remember that it was the fiscally responsible France and Germany who vetoed the proposal at the time because it suited neither of their domestic economic policies.

    Hardly ever gets a mention now, y'know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    Fear not, I am sure France and Germany will be keen to submit their Aachen accord to the scrutiny of the rest of the EU, ha ha, ha ha ha...

    Reminds me that back in the early noughties there was a proposal to limit member state borrowing to 3% of GDP (which seems rather quaint now when 103% of GDP seems more popular).

    Wonder how many people remember that it was the fiscally responsible France and Germany who vetoed the proposal at the time because it suited neither of their domestic economic policies.

    Hardly ever gets a mention now, y'know.
    Are you confusing deficits with debt? Remember the issue , France spent over the limit repeatedly and nothing happened. They and the Germans are hypocrites and control freaks. People need to read more German history to understand what they are.

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    This sounds like France and Germany erecting a tent within the tent.
    Here in Ireland we know all about tent today, FF economic collapse tomorrow - two tents most certainly is not the answer, not the answer at all, and Leo should be phoning Emmanuel and Angela even this weekend to firmly declare Ireland's opposition

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat finger View Post
    This sounds like France and Germany erecting a tent within the tent.
    Here in Ireland we know all about tent today, FF economic collapse tomorrow - two tents most certainly is not the answer, not the answer at all, and Leo should be phoning Emmanuel and Angela even this weekend to firmly declare Ireland's opposition
    Ireland cannot object while Brexit is being negotiated. We need all the allies we can get.

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    Looks like this will be one of the downsides of Brexit. France and Germany will now have much more leeway to dictate march-route of the EU. Strident opposition from PL, HU and CZ and SL will still be there but GB was a big heavyweight that will be missed.

    The idle question kind of raises itself. If you are a voter in a German contstituency, your vote will have much more influence on the shape of EU policy than say a voter in one of the peripheral -- non-German, non-French countries -- such as here
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    This might sound like a very silly question, but how can France & Germany sign up to such agreement outside of a cross EU agreement? So for example with the ongoing brexit discussions at a EU v's UK level. What's to stop Ireland cutting deals on pensions and non trade items with the UK and bypassing the EU position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shpake View Post
    The idle question kind of raises itself. If you are a voter in a German contstituency, your vote will have much more influence on the shape of EU policy than say a voter in one of the peripheral -- non-German, non-French countries -- such as here
    That's not actually the case. Obviously the Parliament's numbers are weighted towards population size, but in the European Council small countries have a say vastly in excess of their proportional size.
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    We'll see I suspect post-Brexit when Germany and France can turn their attention to tax matters. At the moment it suits Brussels to have Ireland agitating over the hard border element of Brexit so the interest on reforming tax matters may be held until that issue is through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Of the Sword View Post
    This might sound like a very silly question, but how can France & Germany sign up to such agreement outside of a cross EU agreement? So for example with the ongoing brexit discussions at a EU v's UK level. What's to stop Ireland cutting deals on pensions and non trade items with the UK and bypassing the EU position?

    sounds like a reasonable question, but with this website get ready for a silly answer

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