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Thread: France & Germany to sign Aachen Treaty - core within a core?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    There will be one seat at the UN for the EU
    Which could make sense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    - jointly shared by 'Frankonia'
    Nope, France won't give their's up which would happen if there was an EU seat. Instead they want to make room for their buddy.

    The treaty extension stipulates that it will be a priority of German-French diplomacy for Germany to be accepted as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    The Treaty of Aachen is aimed at reversing the Treaty of Verdun [843] which broke up the Carolingian Empire



    The Treaty of Verdun, signed in August 843, was the first of the treaties that divided the Carolingian Empire into three kingdoms among the three surviving sons of Louis the Pious, who was the son of Charlemagne. The treaty, signed in Verdun-sur-Meuse, ended the three-year Carolingian Civil War.
    Treaty of Verdun - Wikipedia
    Merkel and Macron seem to be intentionally creating a formal alliance to preserve their pre-eminent status, as against the emerging power of the Visegrad group in Europe.

    All these historical noms de guerre are interesting.
    Visegrad Citadel defended Europe's eastern frontiers, and bore the brunt of Islamic and Mongol invasions.
    In 1335, Charles hosted at Visegrád a two-month congress with the Bohemian king, John of Luxembourg, and the Polish king, Casimir III. It was crucial in creating a peace between the three kingdoms and securing an alliance between Poland and Hungary against Habsburg Austria. Another congress followed in 1338.
    Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Hungary and Croatia in personal union with Hungary, moved the royal seat to Buda between 1405 and 1408. King Matthias Corvinus of Hungary used Visegrád as a country residence.
    Visegrád lost importance after the partition of the Kingdom of Hungary following the Battle of Mohács in 1526...

    In 1991, the leading politicians of Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland met here to form a periodical forum, the Visegrád group, with an intentional allusion to the meeting centuries earlier in 1335.
    This new treaty of Aachen is all about cementing a Franco-German alliance that is strong enough to continue to dominate Europe, going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Let them at it. Two sovereign countries making such decisions is a matter for themselves. We need to be building alliances too with like minded countries.
    We already are - part of the New Hanseatic League with Holland, the Baltic States, Sweden and Denmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recedite View Post
    All these historical noms de guerre are interesting.
    Visegrad Citadel defended Europe's eastern frontiers, and bore the brunt of Islamic and Mongol invasions.
    Indeed. Aachen for France-Germany, Visegrad for the east, new Hanseatic for the north.

    Just need a suggestion for the south. Marathon - when the Greeks united to defeat pesky Middle Eastern invaders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raetsel View Post
    A bit of gratitude (and basic good manners) wouldn't go amiss.

    Breakdown of Poland’s finances with the EU in 2017:

    Total EU spending in Poland: € 11.921 billion
    Total Polish contribution to the EU budget: € 3.048 billion

    Breakdown of Hungary’s finances with the EU in 2017:

    Total EU spending in Hungary: € 4.049 billion
    Total Hungarian contribution to the EU budget: € 0.821 billion

    Personally I'd love to see both countries kicked on their arses out of the EU. They deserve nothing better than to be dominated by Russian barbarians once again - they certainly do not share our civilised western European values.
    Neither country is yet ready to be an EU member.
    Delighted to see that Hungary and Poland are treating the EU with the contempt in deserves: milk it for all it's worth but never subscribe to the empty values of the Germans.
    The former Eastern Bloc now realize that the West is sick; Western european nations like France are castles built on sand and they no longer aspire to be like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenhyena View Post
    Delighted to see that Hungary and Poland are treating the EU with the contempt in deserves: milk it for all it's worth but never subscribe to the empty values of the Germans.
    The former Eastern Bloc now realize that the West is sick; Western european nations like France are castles built on sand and they no longer aspire to be like them.
    If they don't like their values they shouldn't take their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    If they don't like their values they shouldn't take their money.
    Not to mention how many Poles and Hungarians are prefering to migrate to the "sick" West every year... .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenhyena View Post
    Delighted to see that Hungary and Poland are treating the EU with the contempt in deserves: milk it for all it's worth but never subscribe to the empty values of the Germans.
    The former Eastern Bloc now realize that the West is sick; Western european nations like France are castles built on sand and they no longer aspire to be like them.

    You admire spongers. Well done you.

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    The Nazis tried many times to rule us all but now they’ve figured that the pen can be mightier than the sword. The Brits were some counter weight as both countries had been defeated by them when at their peak so Britain commanded respect. Now the Brits are gone there isn’t a strong country left so no more pretending needed. I used to be pro Europe but for a decade now have realized what it is. The French want to be VP of Europe while the Germans follow their natural extinct.

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    Its probably just the usual anti-worker economy policies we have been seeing from the EU for years now.

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