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10% of Germans want a Führer ; Merkel responds: multiculturism is a failure


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Duth Ealla

The Eurointelligence bulletin which covers mainly econmic news and frequently general news has news on a striking opinion poll.

10% is a fair whack of them. Dont have the sample size. Anyone in Germany able to shed light on this.

10% of Germans want a Führer
This is a disturbing poll from the Friedrich Ebert Foundation, which shows that a growing numbers of Germans are becoming disillusioned with democracy. 10% want a Führer, according to the poll, 25% favour a national party that represents that the entire country. A third says the country has too many foreigners (with significant difference between a generally more racist east Germany and a less extreme west Germany). 90% say there is no point in political engagement, as it makes no difference. Unsurprisingly, the result of this study is in all German newspapers.

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Duth Ealla

good wages max but you usually get the bullet.

http://library.fes.de/pdf-files/do/07504.pdf

the institute who did the poll. Seems to be some confusion as to what was implied by the term Fuhrer - Hitler type figure or a strong leader.

suspect the media got a bit carried away but thought i'd throw oit out in case any folks living in Germany had a view on it
 

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Well a Führer is just a leader (in german). We could do with one ourselves. 25% wanting national government. That might not be so different here either. So, it's long way from there to say they are disillusioned with democracy.
 

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Perhaps what it really means is that people want their nation to have a sense of self and its destiny, rather then the meaningless, post political, soup we get now in Europe.
 

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Don't see much wrong in what they want. Fair play to them.
 
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Don't see much wrong in what they want. Fair play to them.
Don't know now Mister men, ya have to keep an eye on them. I spent some time in Bavaria, couple years, merciful hour, they seem to have a parade every Sunday for something or other. They love uniforms and flags and even though they lost two, wars.
 

karldaly

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10% of Germans want a Führer
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Here is the man for the job

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SevenStars

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This is being spun in an typical anti-German manner.

Dictatorship is sometimes a necesscity.....The question is what the dictatorship is for?

Garibaldy was a dictator....As was comrade Stalin. Can anyone deny their greatness or cast dispersions on them (well meaningful ones anyway)? What about the magnificant Robbiespeire?

We need something like a Committee of Public Safety badly in this country.
 

Fantasia

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The Eurointelligence bulletin which covers mainly econmic news and frequently general news has news on a striking opinion poll.

10% is a fair whack of them. Dont have the sample size. Anyone in Germany able to shed light on this.
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Yes you got it right.. heard it on the Berlin news this morning.
My Kummpel (buddy) was whining that germany pays a billion euros a year to look after the foreigners (we Irish are not seen as foreigners for some reason)
My retort was a billion is a pittance compared to the British Isle. Sort of didn't register..
 

myksav

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This is being spun in an typical anti-German manner.

Dictatorship is sometimes a necesscity.....The question is what the dictatorship is for?

Garibaldy was a dictator....As was comrade Stalin. Can anyone deny their greatness or cast dispersions on them (well meaningful ones anyway)? What about the magnificant Robbiespeire?

We need something like a Committee of Public Safety badly in this country.
20 million killed by dear Joe's policies. Laudable.

Robbiespeire? You mean Maximilien Robespierre? The Maximilien Robespierre who argued that "the Terror was necessary, laudable and inevitable"? (which makes him a terrorist, even if he "was the State")
And look at what he left us, France, the Republic. :roll:
 

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We need something like a Committee of Public Safety badly in this country.
The Committee was notoriously imprecise in its cleansing of its enemies. What makes you sure you should survive such an institution, comrade?
 

karldaly

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"As was comrade Stalin. Can anyone deny their greatness or cast dispersions on them (well meaningful ones anyway)?
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During WWII Stalin encouraged tactics which led to the deaths of about 8,000,000 of his own soldiers.
Additionally about 2,800,000 German, Hungarian, Romanian, and Finnish troops were killed by his armies.
Stalin's policies meant no mercy to prisoners, and huge numbers died after being taken captive during the war.
Perhaps 30,000,000 persons of various nations died.
Following WWII, Stalin instigated a policy of terror on the German people.
This led to about 2,000,000 German civilians being murdered outright and thousands more committing suicide.
Stalin enforced brutal police states on all the peoples of eastern Europe which he overran with his armies.
Tens of thousands died in these takeovers.
German POWs were kept in horrible conditions for as long as ten years after the war, leading to the deaths of at least another 1,000,000.

GREATNESS is not a word that springs immediately to mind when I think of Stalin.

You should read Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar - by Simon Sebag Montefiore

REVIEW From The New Yorker
Any biography of a tyrant runs the risk of humanizing its subject to the point of appearing to mitigate his crimes.
But Montefiore's intimate portrait actually throws the coldhearted murderousness with which Stalin pursued and defended power into sharper relief.
The book—much of it based on fresh archival material—moves smoothly between detailed sketches of everyday life at the Kremlin and accounts of the paranoid and sanguinary scheming that determined Soviet politics.
This juxtaposition captures the vertiginous quality of life in Stalin's court, where no allegiance was permanent. Just as strikingly, Montefiore shows how Stalin, a "master of friendships," used charm to win the support of members of the Party's inner circle (many of whom ended up regretting it).
This haunting book gets us as close as we are likely to come to the man who believed that "the solution to every human problem was death."

Amazon.com: Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar (9781400076789): Simon Sebag Montefiore: Books
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myksav

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Oh, in the spirit of the thread title.
Hasn't Germany already got a Fuhrer (how do you do umlat on keyboard?) in Angela Merkel? She is the Chancellor after all.
 
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