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14 days in March.


mindgames

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In 14 Days, a BBC1 documentary broadcast Tuesday night which traces the events that were part of a violent and traumatic sequence 25 years ago, he revealed the blood of one of the soldiers splashed an envelope he was carrying. In it was one of a series of messages from republicans to the nationalist politician John Hume which are credited with helping bring about the IRA’s eventual ceasefire. The priest changed the blood-stained envelope and delivered the message.
Father Alec Reid reveals how he tried to save two British soldiers killed in one of the most shocking episodes of the Troubles - Home News - UK - The Independent

The events began with the SAS killings in Gibraltar of three IRA members who were intent on blowing up a British army band. As their funerals were taking place in Belfast, a loyalist gunman Michael Stone attacked mourners, killing three of them.

During the funeral of one of those three, two plainclothes soldiers in an unmarked car drove into the cortege. There they were surrounded by republicans, dragged from their car, beaten and partially stripped.

In an intense and emotional interview, Fr Reid recalled seeing the soldiers being taken from their car and dragged to a sports ground. He said: “They put the two of them face down on the ground and I got down between the two of them on my face, and I had my arm around this one and I was holding this one by the shoulder.

Fourteen Days by DoubleBand Films is on BBC One on Monday at 9pm.

Was 19 years old when all of the above happened,remember a sense of total helplessness and revulsion as the pictures where streamed into our televisions.Will be interesting to see how I feel now watching this over 25 years later.Hopefully I have not become desensitized with all the madness we have witnessed over the years on our televisions.
 

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These two SAS knew the rules of the game. They were very quick to shoot the Gib three but when the shoe is on the other foot the wailing is deafening.
 

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Tough ************************e.....like what Levellers said those scum had it coming....shooting unarmed people will get a similar response.
 

vivabrigada

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Tough ************************e.....like what Levellers said those scum had it coming....shooting unarmed people will get a similar response.
Some of those who surrounded the two British soldiers got jailed. I'm not trying to wind anyone up, and, I know they were killed in brutal circumstances, but I believe those who confronted the soldiers deserved bravery awards, especially after they returned to the car after one of the soldiers fired his weapon. The same can be said of those who chased and caught Michael Stone a few days earlier.
Traumatic times. I can still feel the rawness of it.
 

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Some of those who surrounded the two British soldiers got jailed. I'm not trying to wind anyone up, and, I know they were killed in brutal circumstances, but I believe those who confronted the soldiers deserved bravery awards, especially after they returned to the car after one of the soldiers fired his weapon. The same can be said of those who chased and caught Michael Stone a few days earlier.
Traumatic times. I can still feel the rawness of it.
The only people looking for trouble that day were the soldiers .....they found it....boo feckin hoo....Ive had loyalists on here tell me the IRA were terrorists because they didnt wear uniforms....well these two were in civies .....Dirty war ,dirty results.
 
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
Executing people in cold blood is always horrendously wrong.
I was in Japan shortly after that and was at a function in Tokyo, attended by ex-pats from around the world aqs well as native Japanese, and found myself at the centre of some unwelcome attention there, because of all the footage of all three events in that barbaric sequence, which went around the world. Quite apart from the pure inhumanity of it all, to be honest I felt mortified that I was even being seen to be associated with such depravity, or being asked to explain it, albeit purely by coming from here.
You've only got to look at the barbarity in Syria, or this week in Nigeria, to understand the negative perceptions of your people when some of your number behave in such a way. Anyone who enjoys having their people portrayed around the world as barbarians really hasn't got a clue.
 

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Two wrongs don't make a right.
Executing people in cold blood is always horrendously wrong.
I was in Japan shortly after that and was at a function in Tokyo, attended by ex-pats from around the world aqs well as native Japanese, and found myself at the centre of some unwelcome attention there, because of all the footage of all three events in that barbaric sequence, which went around the world. Quite apart from the pure inhumanity of it all, to be honest I felt mortified that I was even being seen to be associated with such depravity, or being asked to explain it, albeit purely by coming from here.


You've only got to look at the barbarity in Syria, or this week in Nigeria, to understand the negative perceptions of your people when some of your number behave in such a way. Anyone who enjoys having their people portrayed around the world as barbarians really hasn't got a clue.
Nationalists and Republicans were wrongly demonised after the incident with the two soldiers. They were acting in self defence as anyone would be entitled to do. Remember, this was just a few days after Stone launched his attack.
 

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Some of those who surrounded the two British soldiers got jailed. I'm not trying to wind anyone up, and, I know they were killed in brutal circumstances, but I believe those who confronted the soldiers deserved bravery awards, especially after they returned to the car after one of the soldiers fired his weapon. The same can be said of those who chased and caught Michael Stone a few days earlier.
Traumatic times. I can still feel the rawness of it.
Those involved in this incident should still be hunted down and receive the same treatment .
 

vivabrigada

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Those involved in this incident should still be hunted down and receive the same treatment .
Does that apply to the SAS in Gibraltar?
The poem is based on the killing of an unarmed trio of IRA volunteers - Mairéad Farrell, Dan McCann, and Seán Savage - by the SAS in Gibraltar in 1988. In 1995 the European Court of Human Rights judged the case and found the British Government to be guilty of “unlawful killing”.
Epic poem on Gibraltar killings re-published
 

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Some things that I hope we can all agree on

It reflects well on Fr Reid's humanity and courage that he tried to protect the soldiers when they were defenceless on the ground.

If we could rewind time, all of us here would choose, at that point, for them not to be killed.
 
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Nationalists and Republicans were wrongly demonised after the incident with the two soldiers. They were acting in self defence as anyone would be entitled to do. Remember, this was just a few days after Stone launched his attack.
I understand the hysteria and the paranoia - many people understandably thought it was another attack, quite clearly. However that doesn't alter the fact that the video footage shown around the world was horrendously brutal, and after they had been disarmed there was no need to murder them.
The truth is, that it didn't have to happen that way, which of course equally applies in the case of the Gibraltar executions. As I say two wrongs don't make a right.
 

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Does that apply to the SAS in Gibraltar?

Epic poem on Gibraltar killings re-published
They knew what they were up to when they set on their mission and such things are always a probability -accepted allegedly by all PIRA volunteers at their swearing in ceremony .You and your mates in the first few posts and have came on here and revelled in the deaths of two soldiers rather than reflect upon the savagery of the times - only victims when they are your victims mentality and the murder of the soldiers is being held up as a fine act of courage by you internet warriors.
 

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They knew what they were up to when they set on their mission and such things are always a probability -accepted allegedly by all PIRA volunteers at their swearing in ceremony .You and your mates in the first few posts and have came on here and revelled in the deaths of two soldiers rather than reflect upon the savagery of the times - only victims when they are your victims mentality and the murder of the soldiers is being held up as a fine act of courage by you internet warriors.
You were the one calling for revenge and the same to be done to the IRA vollunters.....internet warrior indeed :oops:
 

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They knew what they were up to when they set on their mission and such things are always a probability -accepted allegedly by all PIRA volunteers at their swearing in ceremony .You and your mates in the first few posts and have came on here and revelled in the deaths of two soldiers rather than reflect upon the savagery of the times - only victims when they are your victims mentality and the murder of the soldiers is being held up as a fine act of courage by you internet warriors.
Then by the same token. the two British soldiers "knew what they were up to".
Do you believe the British line at the time that they were there by accident? I don't.
I didn't revel in anyones deaths and I pointed out that we lived through traumatic times. People are allowed to defend themselves when they are under attack, those who surrounded the car with armed men in it did so without a thought for their own safety. That was courageous.
 

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Some things that I hope we can all agree on

It reflects well on Fr Reid's humanity and courage that he tried to protect the soldiers when they were defenceless on the ground.

If we could rewind time, all of us here would choose, at that point, for them not to be killed.

Whilst I agree with you on that view does that apply to the other six people killed in this series of events - or is there a hierarchy of victims?
 

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One died a slow death from cancer -it is called karma. wee man .:D
Hardly karma, seen that one-in-three die of cancer, or at least will get cancer.
 

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Whilst I agree with you on that view does that apply to the other six people killed in this series of events - or is there a hierarchy of victims?
Yes, it does apply to the other six people.

I was trying to find a formulation that everyone could agree with, even if they had a hierarchy of victims. If we recognise that, by and large, it would be better if the things that the other side complains about had not happened (if only so that they did not have their complaints), then at least there can be consensus on this. This consensus could be valuable as a stepping stone towards an end of the separate view-points, towards an interpretation of our recent history in terms of "us all", rather than "us and them".
 
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