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177 quangos to be scrapped in UK-Ireland to follow suit?

patslatt

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See AFP: Coalition govt 'to axe 177 quangos'

The Irish Bertie-led government copied the UK Labour government in the frenetic creation of quangos which proved useful sources of "Jobs for the boys".

Now that the new UK government is scrapping a large proportion of quangos,can we expect the Irish government to follow suit?

Biggest cuts: 50 bodies associated with the Department of the Environment,Food and Rural Affairs and 30 associated with the Department of Health,though many of the latter may be reintegrated with the Department.

In principle,quangos were supposed to operate with greater flexibility than the civil service,freed from rigid civil service rules about recruitment and pay. In practice,creation of quangos often degenerated into an exercise of creating "jobs for the boys" and sinecures.
 


nonpartyboy

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3 years posters have been going on about this here, ff will only get rid of quangos when the people are starving on the streets.
 

Maximus Cynicus

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Not a snowballs. How would all the FG, Labour, etcetera footsoldiers be rewarded? No, sir, nobody is gonna take their divine right to snout at the trough after so many years foraging in the wilderness
 

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Not a snowballs. How would all the FG, Labour, etcetera footsoldiers be rewarded? No, sir, nobody is gonna take their divine right to snout at the trough after so many years foraging in the wilderness
I dont agree at all. I'll lay big odds that Gilmore will go after them with a hatchet. Its the most acceptable way to reduce public service numbers, without actually removing anyone who actually does some work. There are hundreds of the useless organisations, with boards, and weekly meetings, and massive expences, when the work could have been done by 3 civil servants and a phone. I know of one - the Office of Tobacco Control, which was set up to over see the various smoking bans. Why? Some existing civil servants or HSE employees could have done it, without the big consultant wages and all that bo**ox. Of course, there were a few public servants "seconded " there, because they knew how these things worked, and then they hired people like a "staff resources consultant", when of course, the Dept of Health salaries section could have done it in 10 mins. And the clincher - there are more people on the board (appointed by guess who), than actually work in the offices doing something. They will be flushed out like a digestive bug.
 

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3 years posters have been going on about this here, ff will only get rid of quangos when the people are starving on the streets.
Nonsense! FF would set up a quango to look into the causes of the starvation and maybe another one to manage the problem.

That, of course, is just what should be done when faced with a difficult problem like that - once the quangos have written their reports and the Minister considered whether or not to act on their recommendations, the government will be all set to deal with the problem... in around 15 years time or so. :p
 

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I dont agree at all. I'll lay big odds that Gilmore will go after them with a hatchet. Its the most acceptable way to reduce public service numbers, without actually removing anyone who actually does some work. There are hundreds of the useless organisations, with boards, and weekly meetings, and massive expences, when the work could have been done by 3 civil servants and a phone. I know of one - the Office of Tobacco Control, which was set up to over see the various smoking bans. Why? Some existing civil servants or HSE employees could have done it, without the big consultant wages and all that bo**ox. Of course, there were a few public servants "seconded " there, because they knew how these things worked, and then they hired people like a "staff resources consultant", when of course, the Dept of Health salaries section could have done it in 10 mins. And the clincher - there are more people on the board (appointed by guess who), than actually work in the offices doing something. They will be flushed out like a digestive bug.
Here's hoping.
 

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I dont agree at all. I'll lay big odds that Gilmore will go after them with a hatchet. Its the most acceptable way to reduce public service numbers, without actually removing anyone who actually does some work. There are hundreds of the useless organisations, with boards, and weekly meetings, and massive expences, when the work could have been done by 3 civil servants and a phone. I know of one - the Office of Tobacco Control, which was set up to over see the various smoking bans. Why? Some existing civil servants or HSE employees could have done it, without the big consultant wages and all that bo**ox. Of course, there were a few public servants "seconded " there, because they knew how these things worked, and then they hired people like a "staff resources consultant", when of course, the Dept of Health salaries section could have done it in 10 mins. And the clincher - there are more people on the board (appointed by guess who), than actually work in the offices doing something. They will be flushed out like a digestive bug.
GAWD - YOU GOTTA BE RIGHT, YOU JUST GOTTA BE RIGHT - THIS SHlT IS SUCKING THE MARROW FROM OUR COUNTRY'S BONES...
 

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I dont agree at all. I'll lay big odds that Gilmore will go after them with a hatchet. Its the most acceptable way to reduce public service numbers, without actually removing anyone who actually does some work. There are hundreds of the useless organisations, with boards, and weekly meetings, and massive expences, when the work could have been done by 3 civil servants and a phone. I know of one - the Office of Tobacco Control, which was set up to over see the various smoking bans. Why? Some existing civil servants or HSE employees could have done it, without the big consultant wages and all that bo**ox. Of course, there were a few public servants "seconded " there, because they knew how these things worked, and then they hired people like a "staff resources consultant", when of course, the Dept of Health salaries section could have done it in 10 mins. And the clincher - there are more people on the board (appointed by guess who), than actually work in the offices doing something. They will be flushed out like a digestive bug.
Yeah right, like Gilmore is going to piss off his union masters. There is no chance that he is going to annoy the civil service, he did not even have the bottle to give his opinion on the Croke park deal.
Hopefully that will die a death before the budget, so that those of us in the productive economy do not have our wallets raped anymore.
 

Éireann go Brách

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There's a thread on irish quangos here
in case ya missed

http://www.politics.ie/political-reform/136322-quangocratic-republic-ireland.html

If you hate quangos then fine gael are the party to vote for
heres their Policy Statement by
Leo Varadkar TD from 2008

http://www.finegael.org/upload/file/streamlining govt web.pdf

The most damning information to come from the thread is this
Apparently half of all our quango appointments are made by ministers. Of the 5916 appointments 2604 were made by ministers
Think Bertie Ahern appointing Ivor calley to the senate and X 2604

Whichever party gets in next they need to do the following

1: Cut and intergate the quangos back into the govt as necessary
2: All Fianna fail/green quango minister appointees which survive cuts should have to re-apply for their jobs, Those found to be there as a result of corruption or cronyism should lose it.
3: The power of ministers to appoint to quangos should be stopped
They should only have the right to give referance to someone.
Appointees to future Govt/quango posts should be based on merit only.
 

petrapig

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Close the Hea first ,even if it's just to make sure the head that wrote this rubbish gets the chop .... we couldn't get the dept to do this below?
how much is the HEA's budget?
bord snip needs to be implemeted asap to save us some cash...

The Mission Statement of the HEA is
"To foster the development of a higher education sector which is accessible to all potential students and which is recognised internationally for the high quality of teaching, learning and research and which has the capacity to address the changing needs and challenges in our society".

The Principal Functions of the HEA are

To further the development of higher education.
To maintain a continuous review of the demand and need for higher education.
To assist in the coordination of state investment in higher education and to prepare proposals for such investment.
To allocate among universities, institutes of technology and the designated institutions the grants voted by the Oireachtas.To promote the attainment of equality of opportunity in higher education and democratisation of higher education.
 

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Instead of shutting Quango's, poison their milk.

Pay them in AIB Common stock from the NPRF.

One AIB share for every 10 euro they are supposed to be paid.

Tell them the AIB share has a LTEV of 20 euro so they are getting a bargain.
 

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See AFP: Coalition govt 'to axe 177 quangos'

The Irish Bertie-led government copied the UK Labour government in the frenetic creation of quangos which proved useful sources of "Jobs for the boys".

Now that the new UK government is scrapping a large proportion of quangos,can we expect the Irish government to follow suit?
I certainly hope not. There have been enough public sector redundancies and cuts in public services. Some could go/merge certainly but large numbers being abolished would have a detremental effect on the country. Better have efficiency savings and targeted rather than across the board cuts.

In principle,quangos were supposed to operate with greater flexibility than the civil service,freed from rigid civil service rules about recruitment and pay. In practice,creation of quangos often degenerated into an exercise of creating "jobs for the boys" and sinecures.
Rubbish. Some boards are stocked with Friends of Fianna Fial certainly, but what about the employees?

many of these so called quangos are run far more efficiently that government departments. Af far as I know many if not most are tied into public service pay (apart from semi-states such as ESB) except many of their staff don't get PS pensions. What do you think will happen if these are culled en mass? Who will perform the roles of these (now mostly vastly understaffed agencies). Many if not all the employees will just be transferred into various departments at great cost causing huge upset in the delivery of public services.
 

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Will the new FG/Labour government get rid of the quango's after they create 450000 jobs or will they add them immediately to the dole queue with the attitude " whats another few thousand jobs, we are going to do fantastic things!
 

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There are some organisations on that UK list that will never be able to be replaced by the regular civil service.

Also, if they are run by the civil service it will probably be a disaster.
 

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I dont agree at all. I'll lay big odds that Gilmore will go after them with a hatchet. Its the most acceptable way to reduce public service numbers, without actually removing anyone who actually does some work. There are hundreds of the useless organisations, with boards, and weekly meetings, and massive expences, when the work could have been done by 3 civil servants and a phone. I know of one - the Office of Tobacco Control, which was set up to over see the various smoking bans. Why? Some existing civil servants or HSE employees could have done it, without the big consultant wages and all that bo**ox. Of course, there were a few public servants "seconded " there, because they knew how these things worked, and then they hired people like a "staff resources consultant", when of course, the Dept of Health salaries section could have done it in 10 mins. And the clincher - there are more people on the board (appointed by guess who), than actually work in the offices doing something. They will be flushed out like a digestive bug.
The OTC is being merged with the FSA and the Medicines Board in 2011.
 

patslatt

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Independent assessment of Quango performance

I certainly hope not. There have been enough public sector redundancies and cuts in public services. Some could go/merge certainly but large numbers being abolished would have a detremental effect on the country. Better have efficiency savings and targeted rather than across the board cuts.



Rubbish. Some boards are stocked with Friends of Fianna Fial certainly, but what about the employees?

many of these so called quangos are run far more efficiently that government departments. Af far as I know many if not most are tied into public service pay (apart from semi-states such as ESB) except many of their staff don't get PS pensions. What do you think will happen if these are culled en mass? Who will perform the roles of these (now mostly vastly understaffed agencies). Many if not all the employees will just be transferred into various departments at great cost causing huge upset in the delivery of public services.
Independent assessments could determine which quangos are performing useful functions. Specialists in particular quango fields could be called on to make those assessments. This could be informal and swift in the case of many quangos. Certainly,Ireland doesn't need the huge number of them that exist now (800 plus?).
 

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look at the jobs supplement in the Irish Times most of the jobs advertised are in the public sector
 

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Independent assessments could determine which quangos are performing useful functions. Specialists in particular quango fields could be called on to make those assessments.
Yes of course. Targetted cuts as I've said. But that's not what this government has done. In fact, many of these agencies have had these assessments done (value for money audits) - I know I was involved in one which identified areas that could be cut (which were) but also praised the agencies overall efficiency and value for money and deemed it to be essential for compeditiveness. The functions of this particular (small) agency were previously (disasterously) carried out by a gov. dept.

This could be informal and swift in the case of many quangos. Certainly,Ireland doesn't need the huge number of them that exist now (800 plus?).
Perhaps not. To the layman that certainly seems the case. But probably not most of them. It's voodoo ecomonics to think so.
 


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