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1916 Centenary Committee


Deep Throat

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Bertie speaking tonight in Killarney. (will this event attract more people to Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail?)

As Taoiseach, on behalf of the Government, I want to inform you tonight of what we are planning. Next Easter Sunday, we are reintroducing a parade to commemorate 1916. Our Defence Forces – the only legitimate army of the Irish people – will parade to commemorate this historic event and their proud contribution in the service of the State. :lol: We in this State will proclaim our republicanism. We will recognise and praise the vision of the Volunteers of 1916 and indeed the War of Independence. We will show that our Defence Forces are the true successors of the volunteers. :lol: The Irish people need to reclaim the spirit of 1916, which is not the property of those who have abused and debased the title of republicanism. But a one-day commemoration is not enough. We need to reflect our esteem for the men and women of 1916 in a more permanent way. Therefore, the Government is establishing a 1916 Centenary Committee. Its brief is to begin to plan now for a major centenary celebration of the 1916 Rising. I want next Easter to be an expression of our pride as a nation. We want to commemorate the greatest generation we have ever produced. We want to celebrate the freedom we achieved. And we want more publicly to recognise those who gave us the opportunity to acquire and develop that freedom. This is our State’s inheritance. We must protect it from those who will abuse it and from the revisionists who would seek to denigrate it.
 

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As a republican, I welcome any step to commemorate the men and women of 1916. This decision is long overdue. However, there is an air of gimmickry about it. All this guff about the spirit of 1916 not being the property of those who have abused and debased republicanism is predictable and pathetic.
Let's ask ourselves why Bertie did this now, at this time? There was nothing stopping him doing this 10 years ago or 15 years ago. The reality is, he is doing this now because SF now have a popular mandate that FF can't deny and the emperor wants to try to reclaim FF's republican clothes. That is the mother of all ironies, he goes on about how republicanism is not the property of SF, yet it is SF that are dictating how republican FF sell themselves. Well Bertie, we're ready for you, you can demonise us all you want, but few people could question our dedication to the republican cause.
 

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The re-introduction of the annual 1916 parade abandoned in 1970 is a very welcome move. Never again should revisionism be allowed to denigrate the 1916 freedom-fighters without whom we would still be a British colony.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
Never again should revisionism be allowed to denigrate the 1916 freedom-fighters without whom we would still be a British colony.
Leaving aside your rather asinine understanding of 'revisionism', why shouldn't people be allowed to denigrate who they want? Would you support the introduction of some law which would restrict freedom of speech around the subject of the 1916 Rising?
 

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smiffy said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
Never again should revisionism be allowed to denigrate the 1916 freedom-fighters without whom we would still be a British colony.
Leaving aside your rather asinine understanding of 'revisionism', why shouldn't people be allowed to denigrate who they want? Would you support the introduction of some law which would restrict freedom of speech around the subject of the 1916 Rising?
I am not saying that there should not be freedom of speech on this issue. However, I consider the original decision to scrap the parade as an act of denigration to the 1916 freedom-fighters and consider the restoration of the parade to be an undoing of this. I was trying to make the point that the State should celebrate the 1916 rebellion - especially since not to do so is to feed the propaganda of revisionists who denigrate this State's republican roots.

There is nothing asinine about rejecting revisionism of the kind that denigrates the 1916 freedom fighters. Denigration of them is asinine, however.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
I am not saying that there should be freedom of speech on this issue. However, I consider the original decision to scrap the parade as an act of denigration to the 1916 freedom-fighters and consider the restoration of the parade to be an undoing of this. I was trying to make the point that the State should celebrate the 1916 rebellion - especially since not to do so is to feed the propaganda of revisionists who denigrate this State's republican roots.
What do you understand 'revisionism' to actually consist of?

Some specific examples would be useful in this context.

Oh, I see you've added something:

There is nothing asinine about rejecting revisionism of the kind that denigrates the 1916 freedom fighters. Denigration them is asinine, however.
If you read my post, you'll see that I was suggesting that your understanding of revisionism (I'm assuming you're referring to a broad movement in Irish historical studies that emerged in the 1960s that is generally lumped into the category of 'revisionism'), was asinine. Let's see if that's true.
 

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I welcome this. I think its an acknoweldgement (even though they wont admit it) by the Government that sometimes people have to fight for their rights and freedoms (including taking up arms and killing people). The men and women that fought and died in 1916 should be commemorated properly and always should have been.

Successive Governments should not have tried to ignore them just because it showed up their hypocrisy against those fighting against British occupation of our country over the past thirty years or so. So while it is belated, I welcome it very much indeed.
 

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smiffy said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
I am not saying that there should be freedom of speech on this issue. However, I consider the original decision to scrap the parade as an act of denigration to the 1916 freedom-fighters and consider the restoration of the parade to be an undoing of this. I was trying to make the point that the State should celebrate the 1916 rebellion - especially since not to do so is to feed the propaganda of revisionists who denigrate this State's republican roots.
What do you understand 'revisionism' to actually consist of?

Some specific examples would be useful in this context.
I meant I was not saying there should not be freedom of speech on this issue. Corrected now.

An example of revisionism would be:

These remarks by John Bruton that somehow, having Southern Irish MPs at Westminster would have tempered British policy on Ireland, and his remarks that the IRA shot 10 Protestants on a single night in April 1922 in Cork. Putting it that way is misleading since Catholic informers and collaborators were also shot. These specific Protestants were shot because they were members of a Loyalist group called the Loyalist Action Group in the Bandon area, which research reveals were involved in passing on information about the Old IRA to the British, as well as helping the RIC torture, shoot and identify alleged Republicans and burn houses. Such actions were treason against the Republic and deserved the ultimate price.They were not killed because they were Protestants, but because they were collaborating with an occupying power. Bruton also said that the IRA shot already surrendered soldiers, which is also disputed. Bruton seems to prefer to most negative portrayal of those who fought for Irish freedom in 1916-22.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66994
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
What do you understand 'revisionism' to actually consist of?

Some specific examples would be useful in this context.
I meant I was not saying there should not be freedom of speech on this issue. Corrected now.
:?

An example of revisionism would be:

These remarks by John Bruton that somehow, having Southern Irish MPs at Westminster would have tempered British policy on Ireland, and his remarks that the IRA shot 10 Protestants on a single night in April 1922 in Cork. Putting it that way is misleading since Catholic informers and collaborators were also shot. These specific Protestants were shot because they were members of a Loyalist group called the Loyalist Action Group in the Bandon area, which research reveals were involved in passing on information about the Old IRA to the British, as well as helping the RIC torture, shoot and identify alleged Republicans and burn houses. Such actions were treason against the Republic and deserved the ultimate price.They were not killed because they were Protestants, but because they were collaborating with an occupying power. Bruton also said that the IRA shot already surrendered soldiers, which is also disputed. Bruton seems to prefer to most negative portrayal of those who fought for Irish freedom in 1916-22.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66994
Yes, that's the kind of thing I was getting at when I referred to an asinine understanding of what 'revisionism' actually consists of.
 

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I too think this is a great idea.I've never had the opportunity to see a proper military parade performed by the Irish Defence Forces. I think it will be a great occasion.

That said, hopefully the whole Rising will be viewed with a new perspective of what really went on and the context in which it was set. Ireland was in a 'boom' period during the war, farmers for example never had it so good. To see how (most) Irish people went from wanting home rule to full independence in a short matter of years is of great importance. It has to be said that a small group of people (the IRB) effectively launched an attack with no mandate whatsoever from the Irish people to do so, albeit their actions were approved retrospectively in such a huge change of opinion.

I hope that this viewpoint is recognised, and that the attitude many an elder person has told me about such parades commemorating the occasion reflect the fact that what the Volunteers and the ICA did was akin to an act of terrorism yet later legitimised, rather than the view that 1916 was simply the will of the Irish People being implemented by the Volunteers to achieve independence and freedom, which I'm told is what the previous parades seemed to suggest.
 

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Yes, that's the kind of thing I was getting at when I referred to an asinine understanding of what 'revisionism' actually consists of.
How is it "asinine"? :(

Also, I see in tomorrow's Irish Times that FG and Labour are complaining they were not consulted about the restoration of the annual 1916 parades. There you go. More West Britishness in our midst. :(

The apparent miscomfort on their part with the celebrating of Irish identity and freedom reflects - in my opinion - revisionist tendencies.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
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Also, I see in tomorrow's Irish Times that FG and Labour are complaining they were not consulted about the restoration of the annual 1916 parades. There you go. More West Britishness in our midst. :(

How on earth is that "West Britishness???" Obviously their point is that certain parties, (namely FF) are trying to claim Ireland's history for themselves. No West Britishness there. :roll:
 

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DOD said:
Let's ask ourselves why Bertie did this now, at this time?

Before we all get too noble about this, lets remember that he's doing this because FF will need significant SF transfers in order to stay above 60 seats after the next election.
 

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Our Defence Forces – the only legitimate army of the Irish people – will parade to commemorate this historic event and their proud contribution in the service of the State

So perhaps Bertie could explain the presence of another Army in Ireland, namely the British Army?

I take it they are illegitimate? :p
 

Terry Mac

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The Irish people need to reclaim the spirit of 1916, which is not the property of those who have abused and debased the title of republicanism
No matter what Bertie may think, i have to say that SF are the principal successors to the spirit of 1916, which is that military action is very much a legitimate course of action to achieve the goals of the 1916 heroes, which are very much similar to the goals of SF. What has Bertie Ahern done to further the cause of the martyrs of 1916. Nothing. I hope this new development does mark a return to traditional FF republicanism, but i very much doubt it. It'll probably just another excuse for Bertie to make a speech about our great economy, when he's supposed to be at a War of Independance or Bodenstown commemoration etc.
 

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I would hope ALL parties row in behind this belated event and give the men and women of 1916 the tributes they deserve. There is no reason Easter should be not like the US Independence day which is celebrated by ALL American irrespective of race,colour or political persuasions.
 

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Leaving aside your rather asinine understanding of 'revisionism', why shouldn't people be allowed to denigrate who they want? Would you support the introduction of some law which would restrict freedom of speech around the subject of the 1916 Rising?
Smiffy

I was waiting to see how long it would take you or True04 to jump on the revisionist bandwagon and seek to protect it.

You and your type have as little shame as you do National pride.
 

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Also, I see in tomorrow's Irish Times that FG and Labour are complaining they were not consulted about the restoration of the annual 1916 parades. There you go. More West Britishness in our midst.
Yes, its so big of them not to welcome the plan but instead to sulk that they weren't consulted, like they are the boss.

FG and elements of the Labour party are the represtives of West Britishness in Ireland. They bow to Loyalist terrorism anytime in Government.
When ar ethe murderers of the 33 People killed in Dublin in 1974 going to be put inside???
 

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any move to regain the 'republican' lead in peoples mind is to be welcomed.

Most important however is to make sure the next president is not from sinn fein /ira (adams)

So if it helps keep adams out of the presidency and ensures a suitable ff president for 2016 its definitely worthwhile.

Brian Crowley for president!.
 
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