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1967-2007 Ireland-An Overview-Gerry Ruddy (IRSP)

Starry Plough

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(A Speech delivered in Barcelona Wednesday August 1st 2007-07-30 to a gathering of Marxists from around the world by Gerry Ruddy, a member of the Irish Republican Socialist Party)

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freedomlover

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I wonder if this is the same Gerry Ruddy from South Down that was prominent at Queen's University in the late 1960s? If it is, bloody hell! All the QUB students spouted this Marxist bilge back then (including myself) but most of them grew up. This waster is still at it 40 years later. I remember him making an emotional speech in the Whitla Hall around 1969 or 70 in which he triumphantly proclaimed that Ireland would soon be the Cuba of Europe, an offshore island under socialist control from which Revolution would spread to the rest of Europe. Not the most accurate prediction ever made.
 

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I just don't have the time or energy to read, let alone respond in substance, to this bilge. Suffice to say that his depiction of the NICRA is simply wrong. It was never about a United Ireland, which is why it attracted good cross-community support at first. The Provo's then emerged to queer that pitch.
 

DR Runts

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What is the IRSPs connection with the INLA?
 

Starry Plough

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freedomlover said:
I wonder if this is the same Gerry Ruddy from South Down that was prominent at Queen's University in the late 1960s? If it is, bloody hell! All the QUB students spouted this Marxist bilge back then (including myself) but most of them grew up. This waster is still at it 40 years later. I remember him making an emotional speech in the Whitla Hall around 1969 or 70 in which he triumphantly proclaimed that Ireland would soon be the Cuba of Europe, an offshore island under socialist control from which Revolution would spread to the rest of Europe. Not the most accurate prediction ever made.
What is it exactly you dont agree with? Try to hold back on the personal insults mate, i think gerry would not be the type to label you a waster behind your back,didnt your mammy teachyou basic manners?
 

Starry Plough

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jerryp said:
I just don't have the time or energy to read, let alone respond in substance, to this bilge. Suffice to say that his depiction of the NICRA is simply wrong. It was never about a United Ireland, which is why it attracted good cross-community support at first. The Provo's then emerged to queer that pitch.
I believe he was saying it was about democratic rights,not a united Ireland.
 

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A typical overblown and self justifying diatribe from a member of a small little clique with no popular support at all.

If he had just said 'well it the Provos who sold out and once we couldn't ride on their back anymore we jacked it in too' then it would have been more honest. Also kinder on those who bothered to wade through the unimportant drivel.
 

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PatMcL said:
A typical overblown and self justifying diatribe from a member of a small little clique with no popular support at all.

If he had just said 'well it the Provos who sold out and once we couldn't ride on their back anymore we jacked it in too' then it would have been more honest. Also kinder on those who bothered to wade through the unimportant drivel.
The IRSP position has been distinct from the provisionals since its creation,they were always distinct and never rode on the backs of the provos. You show a lack of knowledge of the organisation and hatred for it which blinds your ability to debate the article,so anyone who actually has an ounce of political depth please step forward,the political sectarianism is getting tiresome.
 

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Starry Plough, you've posted 4 comments since I asked my question on the relationship between your party and the INLA, yet you've ignored it. Is there a reason for this - i'm genuinely curious as to your relationship etc.
 

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DR Runts said:
Starry Plough, you've posted 4 comments since I asked my question on the relationship between your party and the INLA, yet you've ignored it. Is there a reason for this - i'm genuinely curious as to your relationship etc.
The reason is simple,im not a member of the IRSP and it ist up to me to say!
 

Starry Plough

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But they wouldnt be shy about their connections,i can tell you that!
 

Sam Lord

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DR Runts said:
Starry Plough, you've posted 4 comments since I asked my question on the relationship between your party and the INLA, yet you've ignored it. Is there a reason for this - i'm genuinely curious as to your relationship etc.
I didn't think that there was any mystery about this.

To my knowledge the IRSP is a political organisation and constitutes the political wing of the republican socialist movement. The INLA is a military organisation and constitutes the military wing of the republican socialist movement.

Hope that clears it up for you.
 

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Sam Lord said:
[quote="DR Runts":4yqjzq70]Starry Plough, you've posted 4 comments since I asked my question on the relationship between your party and the INLA, yet you've ignored it. Is there a reason for this - i'm genuinely curious as to your relationship etc.
I didn't think that there was any mystery about this.

To my knowledge the IRSP is a political organisation and constitutes the political wing of the republican socialist movement. The INLA is a military organisation and constitutes the military wing of the republican socialist movement.

Hope that clears it up for you.[/quote:4yqjzq70]

Cheers Sam Lord, appreciate that.
 

PatMcL

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Starry Plough said:
PatMcL said:
A typical overblown and self justifying diatribe from a member of a small little clique with no popular support at all.

If he had just said 'well it the Provos who sold out and once we couldn't ride on their back anymore we jacked it in too' then it would have been more honest. Also kinder on those who bothered to wade through the unimportant drivel.
The IRSP position has been distinct from the provisionals since its creation,they were always distinct and never rode on the backs of the provos. You show a lack of knowledge of the organisation and hatred for it which blinds your ability to debate the article,so anyone who actually has an ounce of political depth please step forward,the political sectarianism is getting tiresome.

The INLA called their ceasefire on the back of the IRA ceasefire of 1994, reason being that their own campaign was unsustainable because of the former role played by the more bigger and better organised IRA. One would have thought you knew the history of your own organisation. That being so the whingefest of Ruddy is entirely understandable.

That doesn't fall under the category of hatred for your organisation merely pity at a clique with a clear sense of overblown self importance.

In the years since the 1994 ceasefire the RSM (sic) has not offered an alternative to anything proposed by SF. 13 years on and all we get is Gerry Ruddy's distorted view of the world.
 

Starry Plough

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PatMcL said:
Starry Plough said:
PatMcL said:
A typical overblown and self justifying diatribe from a member of a small little clique with no popular support at all.

If he had just said 'well it the Provos who sold out and once we couldn't ride on their back anymore we jacked it in too' then it would have been more honest. Also kinder on those who bothered to wade through the unimportant drivel.
The IRSP position has been distinct from the provisionals since its creation,they were always distinct and never rode on the backs of the provos. You show a lack of knowledge of the organisation and hatred for it which blinds your ability to debate the article,so anyone who actually has an ounce of political depth please step forward,the political sectarianism is getting tiresome.

The INLA called their ceasefire on the back of the IRA ceasefire of 1994, reason being that their own campaign was unsustainable because of the former role played by the more bigger and better organised IRA. One would have thought you knew the history of your own organisation. That being so the whingefest of Ruddy is entirely understandable.
You said the "provos" not the IRA, so my argument was that the IRSP was always distinct from the Provisional's. If you were talking about the provisional economic bombing campaign then i think it can be agreed that it done damage to the republican and socialist cause. Any activity the INLA had in this tactic was wrong in my view.But as you admitted it was very minimal.

[quote:2op8rg6i]That doesn't fall under the category of hatred for your organisation merely pity at a clique with a clear sense of overblown self importance.
Hmmm that does sound a bit strange seen as its the IRSP who are willing to talk with ALL revolutionary and socialist organisations/parties on this island but it is the self importance of a section of the Irish sectarian left which doesnt even recognise the IRSP or even consider talking with them.

In the years since the 1994 ceasefire the RSM (sic) has not offered an alternative to anything proposed by SF. 13 years on and all we get is Gerry Ruddy's distorted view of the world.
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All you are doing is clearly showing your lack of knowledge of the IRSP and its position, you slag me over not knowing my history but then you say the IRSP has no alternative to SF? Thats not even funny, the alternative is a socialist republic,nothing less will suffice.thank god their are some revolutionaries on this island not willing to sell their ideals to share power with fascists and sectarians.
 

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Is this Gerry Ruddy a relation of Seamus Ruddy, also from South Down, and offed by some INLA types in Paris. Any chance of giving back his body?
 

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Starry Plough said:
freedomlover said:
I wonder if this is the same Gerry Ruddy from South Down that was prominent at Queen's University in the late 1960s? If it is, bloody hell! All the QUB students spouted this Marxist bilge back then (including myself) but most of them grew up. This waster is still at it 40 years later. I remember him making an emotional speech in the Whitla Hall around 1969 or 70 in which he triumphantly proclaimed that Ireland would soon be the Cuba of Europe, an offshore island under socialist control from which Revolution would spread to the rest of Europe. Not the most accurate prediction ever made.
What is it exactly you dont agree with? Try to hold back on the personal insults mate, i think gerry would not be the type to label you a waster behind your back,didnt your mammy teachyou basic manners?
Still waiting for an educated and dignified response. :(
 


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