1981 - SFWP describes PSF/IRA as fascists

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One of the best online sources for Irish politics and political history is the Cedar Lounge Revolution, a left of centre blog run by politics.ie alumnus Worldbystorm and current member Garibaldy. One of the most interesting features of the site is the "Irish Left Archive", which collates interesting articles and documents from recent Irish left-wing parties and organisations.

There is a particularly good link today to a 1981 paper by Sinn Fein The Workers Party (consistently the most interesting and best written articles and papers come from the Officials - clearly there were a lot of very intelligent people in that organisation, even if some of the policies were a bit strange) called "Ireland". It appears to be an international pamphlet designed to drum up support for OSF amongst leftist elements worldwide.

This paper was printed at the height of the Hunger Strikes and hence is an attack of the "Provisional Alliance" and on support for the Hunger Strike. It repeats classic Official dogma that the provos were essentially the paramilitary wing of Fianna Fail. It then goes on to claim that the Provos should be seen as part of the neo-fascist groupings in continental Europe. From CLR:

The article argues that PIRA should ‘be seen in the same context as the Red Brigades in Italy, the Baader Meinhof gang in Federal Germany, ETA in Spain, the neo-Nazi’s of France and Italy… It is known that some links have been established between the Provisionals and British Fascist Organisations. A Conference of European Fascists held in Belgium some time ago was attended by representatives of the Provisionals’. This is an interesting assertion given that there has been and remains a profound antagonism on the part of British fascist and neo-Nazi groupings towards the very concept of Irish Republicanism.
There is also a strange photograph depicting people making what the paper claims is a 'fascist' salute at a PIRA funeral.

What is particularly interesting is that the paper shows that SFWP were clinging on to their belief that the Provos were a reactionary right wing grouping (it makes great play about some priests who were allegedly connected to PIRA), even as Adams was trying to build up a political organisation and shift the movement to the left. It's a fascinating paper for anyone interested in this crucial time in recent Irish history.

http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/ireland-swfp-1981.pdf
 


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Absolute rubbish, written by embittered nobodies.
 
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One of the best online sources for Irish politics and political history is the Cedar Lounge Revolution, a left of centre blog run by politics.ie alumnus Worldbystorm and current member Garibaldy. One of the most interesting features of the site is the "Irish Left Archive", which collates interesting articles and documents from recent Irish left-wing parties and organisations.

There is a particularly good link today to a 1981 paper by Sinn Fein The Workers Party (consistently the most interesting and best written articles and papers come from the Officials - clearly there were a lot of very intelligent people in that organisation, even if some of the policies were a bit strange) called "Ireland". It appears to be an international pamphlet designed to drum up support for OSF amongst leftist elements worldwide.

This paper was printed at the height of the Hunger Strikes and hence is an attack of the "Provisional Alliance" and on support for the Hunger Strike. It repeats classic Official dogma that the provos were essentially the paramilitary wing of Fianna Fail. It then goes on to claim that the Provos should be seen as part of the neo-fascist groupings in continental Europe. From CLR:



There is also a strange photograph depicting people making what the paper claims is a 'fascist' salute at a PIRA funeral.

What is particularly interesting is that the paper shows that SFWP were clinging on to their belief that the Provos were a reactionary right wing grouping (it makes great play about some priests who were allegedly connected to PIRA), even as Adams was trying to build up a political organisation and shift the movement to the left. It's a fascinating paper for anyone interested in this crucial time in recent Irish history.

http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/ireland-swfp-1981.pdf
Thank you borntorum. Fascinating. I look forward to reading it all later.
 

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Seemed pretty logical then - seems pretty logical now.
 

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The posturings of PSF in black leather uniforms could also be seen this way, but really, OIRA/OSF & PIRA/PSF are always going to be two dogs p1551ng on the one lamp post, aren't they?
 

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One of the best online sources for Irish politics and political history is the Cedar Lounge Revolution, a left of centre blog run by politics.ie alumnus Worldbystorm and current member Garibaldy. One of the most interesting features of the site is the "Irish Left Archive", which collates interesting articles and documents from recent Irish left-wing parties and organisations.

There is a particularly good link today to a 1981 paper by Sinn Fein The Workers Party (consistently the most interesting and best written articles and papers come from the Officials - clearly there were a lot of very intelligent people in that organisation, even if some of the policies were a bit strange) called "Ireland". It appears to be an international pamphlet designed to drum up support for OSF amongst leftist elements worldwide.

This paper was printed at the height of the Hunger Strikes and hence is an attack of the "Provisional Alliance" and on support for the Hunger Strike. It repeats classic Official dogma that the provos were essentially the paramilitary wing of Fianna Fail. It then goes on to claim that the Provos should be seen as part of the neo-fascist groupings in continental Europe. From CLR:



There is also a strange photograph depicting people making what the paper claims is a 'fascist' salute at a PIRA funeral.

What is particularly interesting is that the paper shows that SFWP were clinging on to their belief that the Provos were a reactionary right wing grouping (it makes great play about some priests who were allegedly connected to PIRA), even as Adams was trying to build up a political organisation and shift the movement to the left. It's a fascinating paper for anyone interested in this crucial time in recent Irish history.

http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/ireland-swfp-1981.pdf
Coming from the people who sought money and support from Ceausescu's Romania, North Korea etc that's really something. Obviously the paw prints of Eoghan Harris are all over this document, though Paul Williams or Jim Cusack from Sir Tony's comics could write similiar :roll:
 

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The posturings of PSF in black leather uniforms could also be seen this way, but really, OIRA/OSF & PIRA/PSF are always going to be two dogs p1551ng on the one lamp post, aren't they?
:lol: National Front, Combat 18 etc Didn't they all try to ingratiate themsleves with the "Ulsta" loyalists - just like yourself, sharpcut and the other wannabe loyalists from the 'mainland' :lol:
 

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I'll repeat this from the CLR, about the photograph in question:

This from the Irish Times of May 22nd 1981 by Andrew Pollak (it turns out the above photo is from the removal of Raymond McCreesh, and not from the actual funeral).

“The only jarring note was the Nazi-style salute given by the young stewards guarding the route as the coffin emerged from the hospital grounds.”

Regarding the comment about embittered nobodies. The same edition describes the election of the first SFWP TD.

I am sure it hurts some people to see the reality of important parts (though not all) of nationalism in the north, but the fascistic and religious elements of it were clearly detailed in the events discussed here.
 

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the Provos were a reactionary right wing grouping
Yes, the Rosary Brigades, physical force nationalists with a totally non-Republican definition of sovereignty and a democratic structure like the GAA or the Catholic Church.
 

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:lol: National Front, Combat 18 etc Didn't they all try to ingratiate themsleves with the "Ulsta" loyalists - just like yourself, sharpcut and the other wannabe loyalists from the 'mainland' :lol:
? I'm no way as ingratiated with Ulster Loyalists as the persons who led PIRA now, am I?
 

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PIRA exposed as fascistic shocka !!

FFS... anyone who knew - objectively, as Protestants knew about their Catholic friends, the level of intimidation by PIRA on their own community doesn't need either the CLR Blog or Harris to tell them.
 

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I'll repeat this from the CLR, about the photograph in question:

This from the Irish Times of May 22nd 1981 by Andrew Pollak (it turns out the above photo is from the removal of Raymond McCreesh, and not from the actual funeral).

“The only jarring note was the Nazi-style salute given by the young stewards guarding the route as the coffin emerged from the hospital grounds.”

Regarding the comment about embittered nobodies. The same edition describes the election of the first SFWP TD.

I am sure it hurts some people to see the reality of important parts (though not all) of nationalism in the north, but the fascistic and religious elements of it were clearly detailed in the events discussed here.
Well since the stickes were so handy at forging US dollars* I doubt that forging a photo would be too hard for their handy work :)

And besides, the Provos were on friendly relations with the PLO, ANC etc Strange company for fascists to be friendly with ?

Adams in Gaza
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*( and I wouldn't be surprised other currency's )
 
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PIRA exposed as fascistic shocka !!

FFS... anyone who knew - objectively, as Protestants knew about their Catholic friends, the level of intimidation by PIRA on their own community doesn't need either the CLR Blog or Harris to tell them.
I would have thought it pretty obvious that the nationalists had more on their mind the intimadation, assaults and murder of the RUC, Brits and their unoffical loyalist murderer's ?
 

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Well since the stickes were so handy at forging US dollars* I doubt that forging a photo would be too hard for their handy work :)

And besides, the Provos were on friendly relations with the PLO, ANC etc Strange company for fascists to be friendly with ?

Adams in Gaza
YouTube - Gerry Adams in Gaza...



*( and I wouldn't be surprised other currency's )
The photo appears on the front page of at least one national newspaper from the time. It's not an SFWP photo. As for the rest of it. As the document points out, there was a mix of traditional catholic nationalism with ultra-leftism, seeking to portray themselves as genuine revolutionaries. Photos of Adams with George Bush, Peter King and Jesse Helms would tell the real story there.
 

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Yes -Bomber Harris comes to mind straight away.

The clenched fist salute that many republicans was adopted from the ANC who argued that if one finger represented resistance then a united fist represented a stronger community united in resistance.
I'm sure Harris and Co were well aware of that, but hey Harris is Harris.

As for the republican priests -didnt Harris's private army have a Fr. Forde in its ranks, who later defected to the INLA?

As for links to British and Belgian Facists - well what can I say, only that Bomber Harris missed his calling as a stand up comedian.
 

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The photo appears on the front page of at least one national newspaper from the time. It's not an SFWP photo. As for the rest of it. As the document points out, there was a mix of traditional catholic nationalism with ultra-leftism, seeking to portray themselves as genuine revolutionaries. Photos of Adams with George Bush, Peter King and Jesse Helms would tell the real story there.
The article also claims that Gerry Adams and Danny Morrison were Trotskyists on Page 2! They also manage to call on Page 6 Vincent Brown, Mary Holland, Tim Pat Coogan, Tom McGurk among many others " Provisional supporters/sympatisers/ultra left Trotskyists! It then goes on to say that the Gaelic League, GAA and even the SDLP are all part of this " Provisional conspiracy " !!!!!

An yes, the insane ramblings of Eoghan Harris's gang :)
 

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Back in the day, at the end of their Stalinist meetings, Harris & co. used to stand, and with raised clenched fists, cry "ONWARD TO STATE POWER"
 


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