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200 teaching jobs in the higher education sector to be lost


RobertW

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One education cut, described as a "relatively minor cut" by Ruairí Quinn, will involve the loss of 200 jobs in the further education (post Leaving Certificate) sector from September 2013.

One particular college, Ballyfermot College of Further Education, have announced that they will lose 10 of their 80 staff.

This particular college has produced three Oscar nominees (and one winner) in the area of computer animation.

This cut will also effect those who use such colleges as a transition between second level and third level.
 


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Irish Third level is overmanned and expensive.

But Ballyfermot CFE is not the destination of enormous largesse and waste.

First place I would look for cut backs is in the larger universities. They get through enormous volumes of cash, and they still have courses where the graduates are unable to get jobs in Ireland. In particular there is a need to shrink the scale of the faculties of Arts and Law in the larger universities. Civil Engineering and Architecture also need to be scaled back. We also have too many schools of Hotel Management (apart from having too many hotels).

Apart from that Irish academics are far too well paid in the context of the country's ability to fund it's bills. Across the board there will have to be cutbacks. The likes of Ed Walsh and Moore McDowell pontificating about what needs to be done to rescue the state's finances, when they themslves are part of the problem is too much for most people to stomach. Salaries are too high. they need to drop back.

These are areas where the students are simply spending time getting degrees for which there are few employment opportunities. Give the money to the PLC sector instead. They are proving to be far more efficient at turning state funding into employable graduates.
 

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While third level is certainly over-manned these kind of cuts are being caused by a lack of funding. Until we bring back proper college fees and student loans, our third level will continue to fall behind other countries.
 

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The likes of Ed Walsh and Moore McDowell pontificating about what needs to be done to rescue the state's finances, when they themslves are part of the problem is too much for most people to stomach.
In all seriousness you gotta admire the sheer brass neck on Ed Walsh. . . A man who has received nearly 2 million euros in an ongoing public pension since 1997.

http://www.politics.ie/forum/education-science/170052-ed-walsh-found-out-matt-cooper-over-his-public-pension-entitlements.html
 

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One education cut, described as a "relatively minor cut" by Ruairí Quinn, will involve the loss of 200 jobs in the further education (post Leaving Certificate) sector from September 2013.

One particular college, Ballyfermot College of Further Education, have announced that they will lose 10 of their 80 staff.

This particular college has produced three Oscar nominees (and one winner) in the area of computer animation.

This cut will also effect those who use such colleges as a transition between second level and third level.
So 800 hours a week teaching gone then?
 

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While third level is certainly over-manned these kind of cuts are being caused by a lack of funding. Until we bring back proper college fees and student loans, our third level will continue to fall behind other countries.
Fees and loans are not going to magically make everything better in Irish Universities. The principle issue is that they are stacked to the gills with political appointees, and have become bloated and undirected under the stewardship and ambitions of the same. We had fine Universities and ITs in this country without every single one needing to have a Department of Philo-nomic-science excellence.

Unfortunately, the egos of those appointed under the Universities Act could not long suffer to only stand and wait. They had to grow, grow, grow, and free fees and compliant government patronage enabled them to do it. However, much of the same dynamics played out across the water in the US, where complicant government was replaced by cheap student loans, but aside from that the result was the same: Universities being treated like industrial assembly lines, and sidelined as places of education, heritage, and above all else places where serious debate and criticism could take place.

It was a very successful programme. Five years into the greatest financial crisis in history and the silence from the academies is screaming. The whole third level education sector has been sterilised of independent thought.
 

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moyno

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10 out of 80 :(

Maybe cut salary by 12.5% and the staff could be maintained at 80 ?
Further education tutors already provide great value for money. Tutors in these colleges provide course up to degree level for the same pay and conditions as a secondary school teacher.
 

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Too many damned public servants anyway or so we have been told on countless posts for the last few years.
 

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Another strange decision. The main universities in this country are extremely wasteful. The interested reader should investigate how much is handed out to university societies to be squandered. Before someone tells me that this is money well spent, they should visit freshers' week, or go to a society free pizza night, or a free wine reception. Also, did I recently hear about Ruairi Quinn washing his hands of a scandalous taxi bill story coming out of the universities? University administrations only know how to spend money. Modest cuts in their budget allocation would more than match the savings of this particular cut - one coming in a college of further education in a relatively deprived area no less. Standards could be increased without higher fees if those in charge had their priorities straight and demonstrated some common sense.
 

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Correct, you have it in one, like the rest of the great and the good, greed rules the day....
Would you be willing to go up to your own employer and volunteer that you and the rest of your colleagues would be willing to take a 12.5% cut?
 

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The op should be changed to the further education sector.

The student teacher ratio is being changed from 17:1 to 19:1 without a murmur from
Government, opposition and unions.

Easy target for the government as fe colleges have very poor support.
 

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Another strange decision. The main universities in this country are extremely wasteful. The interested reader should investigate how much is handed out to university societies to be squandered. Before someone tells me that this is money well spent, they should visit freshers' week, or go to a society free pizza night, or a free wine reception. Also, did I recently hear about Ruairi Quinn washing his hands of a scandalous taxi bill story coming out of the universities? University administrations only know how to spend money. Modest cuts in their budget allocation would more than match the savings of this particular cut - one coming in a college of further education in a relatively deprived area no less. Standards could be increased without higher fees if those in charge had their priorities straight and demonstrated some common sense.
The best bit is where students societies and clubs claim that if they do not get such money, they will be left vulnerable to manipulation by the alco-business.

And then they accept money and gifts to promote the profits of the Alco-business sector anyway.

Another form of waste that is completely unaccountable.
 

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