2020 - Democratic Presidential debates

Ardillaun

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Van would be a stronger candidate. Apparently they gave very weak answers to responding to a military crises trying to out do themselves as to how pacifist they would be, great signal to aggressive nations around the world!
I‘m not sure that’s their biggest problem. Most voters do not want the US to get stuck in yet another war in the Middle East. Bernie gets big cheers when he waxes lyrical on this theme.
 


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I thought Warren improved as the debate went on but agreed it was fairly mild. It felt like the top four were so close in polls, no one wanted to go out on a limb and attack anyone.
Also Iowa is a caucus so you don't want to insult the preferred candidate of any voter just in case they refuse to transfer to you when their candidate gets knocked out during the course of the caucus.

After Iowa the skin and hair will start flying.
 

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Warren has chosen to go low at least twice recently with Pete’s wine caves and Bernie’s private election speculations. It’s not a good look. In particular, making public a conversation with a friend and colleague regarding a future election sounds petty.
 

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Warren has chosen to go low at least twice recently with Pete’s wine caves and Bernie’s private election speculations. It’s not a good look. In particular, making public a conversation with a friend and colleague regarding a future election sounds petty.
Its clear what Warren did, Bernie probably did suggest there were some additional risk, but Warren turned that into an absolutist statement that Bernie wouldn’t have made. The Dems have created a no win situation for themselves. How to be the “nice” party but show they can duke it out against Trump.
 

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Its clear what Warren did, Bernie probably did suggest there were some additional risk, but Warren turned that into an absolutist statement that Bernie wouldn’t have made. The Dems have created a no win situation for themselves. How to be the “nice” party but show they can duke it out against Trump.

Also that it was a private conservation from nearly two years ago and now all of a sudden she brings it up, and of she failed to mention that Bernie tried to to get her to run for president in 2016 before he threw his hat in the ring.

Sanders has no history of misogyny , indeed his record on women's right over the years is very strong.

But still Hilary Clinton in 2016 made a ridiculous claim of misogyny against him over the way he spoke and now this from Warren.

It is just a card that gets played when you are desperate.
 

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It makes you wonder if the hot mike was staged by Warren, her version of 4D Ludo
 

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It makes you wonder if the hot mike was staged by Warren, her version of 4D Ludo
The hot 'mike' :))) made her look worse in my view. Of all the people to accuse of sexism Bernie Sanders is probably the last. The man has a track record back to the early 1960s of being on the right side of history and hugely solid feminist credentials. Warrenis beginning to strike me as a bit of a yellow pack Clinton.

Not a good look.
 

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With 3 of Democrat Presidential candidates vying for President Trumps job, how truthfully can they claim to be impartial as a juror.
 

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Warren overstepped on the Sanders stuff. Bad look. People bring their record into these debates. Sanders record is like 170 years fighting for equality, whether you agree with him or like his stupid Kermit hand waving thing or not.

So a pitch of “Bernie’s sexist” just doesn’t wash. It’s the same thing as when people try to spin “Biden’s not a friend of POC”.

Buttigieg did well again. The presidency is a job that covers a million different roles, it still seems like Biden’s the easiest sell on being able to do the job.
It worked on Corbyn, despite his decades of fighting for equality
 

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The hot 'mike' :))) made her look worse in my view. Of all the people to accuse of sexism Bernie Sanders is probably the last. The man has a track record back to the early 1960s of being on the right side of history and hugely solid feminist credentials. Warrenis beginning to strike me as a bit of a yellow pack Clinton.

Not a good look.

Agree and feel like Warren has over reached here. Obviously none of us were there to know what was said, but it really is hard to imagine Sanders saying something that explicit and explicitly wrong. As Sanders himself noted in the debate, and this is widely known, Sanders approached Warren before 2016 telling her he was thinking about running but would stand aside if she wanted to run and give her a clear run.

Warren never endorsed in the 2016 primary and she was notable being the only female (Dem) Senator that didn't endorse Hillary until she became the presumptive nominee. She could have really helped Bernie with an endorsement then, they have been friends long before she was in the Senate. Alternatively, she could also have helped the first credible female candidate for a major party nomination and given her a boost with the progressive wing of the party.

She is trying to have her cake and eat it too and the refusal of a handshake makes her look petty. She is in the top tier of candidates now for a long time and in this day and age should realize that the cameras are rarely off.
 

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With 3 of Democrat Presidential candidates vying for President Trumps job, how truthfully can they claim to be impartial as a juror.
To be honest, you could probably count on one hand the amount of impartial jurors in the Senate.

Chuck Schumers criticism of Mitch McConnell on this is completely disingenuous. Schumer voted against impeachment in the House in 98 and campaigned for his Senate race in the 98 election effectively vowing to vote to acquit Clinton. He openly acknowledged there was a political element to the impeachment process and after being elected to the Senate, did exactly as promised and voted to acquit Clinton in early 99.
 

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Also that it was a private conservation from nearly two years ago and now all of a sudden she brings it up, and of she failed to mention that Bernie tried to to get her to run for president in 2016 before he threw his hat in the ring.

Sanders has no history of misogyny , indeed his record on women's right over the years is very strong.

But still Hilary Clinton in 2016 made a ridiculous claim of misogyny against him over the way he spoke and now this from Warren.

It is just a card that gets played when you are desperate.
Remember that time calling out sexism worked for a female political candidate?

Nope, me neither.
 

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Remember that time calling out sexism worked for a female political candidate?

Nope, me neither.
It does not work when it is just used as a political ploy , the Hilary Clinton campaign called out Obama for been sexist as well in the 2008 primary , most people see it for what it is.
 

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It does not work when it is just used as a political ploy , the Hilary Clinton campaign called out Obama for been sexist as well in the 2008 primary , most people see it for what it is.
Warren has form when it comes to lying, she lied about her heritage to try and steal a native american scholarship, she lied about her father being a janitor and she lied about being sacked for getting pregnant, she is obviously trying to paint a picture of herself as a person of color who overcame poverty, racism and sexism to get where she is.
 

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Warren has form when it comes to lying, she lied about her heritage to try and steal a native american scholarship, she lied about her father being a janitor and she lied about being sacked for getting pregnant, she is obviously trying to paint a picture of herself as a person of color who overcame poverty, racism and sexism to get where she is.
Professional virtue-signallers tend to do a lot of lying, cheating and stealing.
 
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With 3 of Democrat Presidential candidates vying for President Trumps job, how truthfully can they claim to be impartial as a juror.
Well Pence gets the job of trump is sacked so its not theirs. Also I dont recall them stating their verdict in advance regardless of evidence like, say, Mitch McConnell.
 

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Well Pence gets the job of trump is sacked so its not theirs. Also I dont recall them stating their verdict in advance regardless of evidence like, say, Mitch McConnell.
You have to admit that all 3 would prefer to face Pence. So they have a vested interest in voting guilty.
 

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Well Pence gets the job of trump is sacked so its not theirs. Also I dont recall them stating their verdict in advance regardless of evidence like, say, Mitch McConnell.
Interesting sidebar. Capital P for Pence likewise Capital M’s and C for Mitch McConnell while the President just gets a t.
 


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