28k to be offered redundancy in HSE

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Would that seriously happen in the private sector, where unproductive people are routinely laid off for just not being good enough.
Sure. General round pay increases under the national wage agreements were applicable to both the public and private sectors.
 


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It is good to see this planned & due to be implemented so quickly but it also raises several questions

- 80K per person is insane money.
- Is the HSE already 17-18% overstaffed? Companies can become over staffed if they lose contracts or sell off portions of their business but this cannot be the case in the HSE which probably has more work that previous years.

The redundency basically proves massive failure by Harney & Drumm.
 

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There is a very short time frame for employees to make a decision about this. A life changing one too, but necessary I think.

There should be a similar scheme for Civil Service, Local Authorities etc. Short sharp shock now, better than death from a thousand cuts.

CPA adhered to, this scheme is voluntary, so it should be extended to all PS in time. It is a good way to cut costs, and no more paycuts for the time being for those staying on.
Yep, that's a short time for making such life changing decisions. Kinda reminds me of the private sector.
 

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It is good to see this planned & due to be implemented so quickly but it also raises several questions

- 80K per person is insane money.
- Is the HSE already 17-18% overstaffed? Companies can become over staffed if they lose contracts or sell off portions of their business but this cannot be the case in the HSE which probably has more work that previous years.

The redundency basically proves massive failure by Harney & Drumm.
Do you, perchance, recall the purpose of the HSE?
It was brought in to reduce the numbers and increase the efficiency of the health system. Both of which ideas has been a total failure.
It hasn't gotten efficient in any way, it's actually got worse, and the numbers of staff (all told) increased after the Boards were amalgamated.

And how long has the HSE been extant?
 

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Yep, that's a short time for making such life changing decisions. Kinda reminds me of the private sector.
How do you think you might feel having to make such a decision in 4 weeks?

Private Sector area is doing ok in many respects. There have been redundancies, of course. But in general, like the PS it is motoring on in many sectors.

Have you been affected by such a swift, life changing decision yet? If so, apologies, if not, well, keeping quiet and being grateful might be a good thing.
 

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How do you think you might feel having to make such a decision in 4 weeks?

Private Sector area is doing ok in many respects. There have been redundancies, of course. But in general, like the PS it is motoring on in many sectors.

Have you been affected by such a swift, life changing decision yet? If so, apologies, if not, well, keeping quiet and being grateful might be a good thing.
Several times already. And with well less than 4 weeks notice. And no redundancy package in a few cases but they don't count as they happened abroad.
 

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There is a very short time frame for employees to make a decision about this. A life changing one too, but necessary I think.

There should be a similar scheme for Civil Service, Local Authorities etc. Short sharp shock now, better than death from a thousand cuts.

CPA adhered to, this scheme is voluntary, so it should be extended to all PS in time. It is a good way to cut costs, and no more paycuts for the time being for those staying on.
If people take early retirement on such short notice and then their pensions are slashed a week later in the budget look out for a plethora of 'legitimate expectation' law suits.
 

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The anglo emloyees got 8 weeks per year with a maximum of 3 years pay.

The HSE staff age offered 5 weeks per year with a maximumof 2 years pay.

Why so much tot he Anglo staff.
HSE staff are PS and thus parasitic scum who should be grateful for anything at all rather than whinging about getting treated the same as heroic banking staff.
 

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Its a poor offer, nobody marginal will go for it.

Of course it will be the most employable and hardest workers that leave.

There will be no effect on services in Jan(even though we have no idea or control over who leaves). The HSE could pay people to leave it needs while those it needs to lose remain.

Another load of nonsense.
 

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If people take early retirement on such short notice and then their pensions are slashed a week later in the budget look out for a plethora of 'legitimate expectation' law suits.
Given that the unions have been about as much use as a chocolate fire guard to date who will pay for the lawyers?
 

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I's astonishing that they haven't a clue what will happen on the first of January if they're left without key staff in critical areas. Suppose for example, most of the admin staff left the diagnostic imaging department of a Dublin hospital. It would be effectively closed down until staff could be moved from other areas and learn the process from scratch re-inventing the wheel on the way because the corporate culture was destroyed.
 

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Yep, that's a short time for making such life changing decisions. Kinda reminds me of the private sector.
Like the consolidation and rapid cost cutting in the banks since they hit the rocks?

Oh no wait...

Well I am sure it happened somewhere.
 

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Do you, perchance, recall the purpose of the HSE?
It was brought in to reduce the numbers and increase the efficiency of the health system. Both of which ideas has been a total failure.
It hasn't gotten efficient in any way, it's actually got worse, and the numbers of staff (all told) increased after the Boards were amalgamated.

And how long has the HSE been extant?
Are you joking? The purpose of the HSE was clearly to get the pain in the arse of health out of the hair of politicians. FF ones in particular. They handed it over to an indo and set up a super quango instead of local health boards. They still dished out jobs or pretended to in the local areas. It has been a roaring success in all of those regards.

It was also useful for facilitating a structure in which expensive private facilities could be planned and funded(with private and state money) on a national basis. This bit worked to a lesser extent.

At no point was saving money for the tax payer on the agenda, that was just the sh1te they fed the public.


Where did you ever get the idea it was about saving money or improving public health care?
 

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I would expect the same offer to be made in education and across the public service in the next few weeks

In the absence of pay cuts its the obvious way to slash the public service pay bill
 

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I would expect the same offer to be made in education and across the public service in the next few weeks

In the absence of pay cuts its the obvious way to slash the public service pay bill
There will be further pay cuts too don't worry.

They will milk Croke part dry and then declare it not enough.

Anyway they need more Teachers etc not less.

No point paying 90 grand to train nurses etc and then paying them to emigrate.

This is not a plan, it is another panic ridden ill thought out load of nonsense. Too little, too late, too little detail and too unspecific.
 

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Are you joking?
Nope. That was the original purpose of the HSE. But some people do have short memories. In fact, the lower numbers and greater efficiency were the most vocalised parts of the deal.

Are you pub-sec, by the way?
 


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