30years later - Death on the Rock "Operation_Flavius"

cozzy121

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So it's 30 years on since members of the SAS shot dead unarmed members of an IRA bombing team on a roadside in Gibraltar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flavius

Operation Flavius (also referred to as the "Gibraltar killings")[1][2] was a controversial military operation in which three members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) were shot dead by the British Special Air Service (SAS) in Gibraltar on 6 March 1988.
The three—Seán Savage, Daniel McCann, and Mairéad Farrell—were believed to be mounting a bombing attack on British military personnel in Gibraltar. Plain-clothed SAS soldiers approached them in the forecourt of a petrol station, then opened fire, killing them.
All three were found to be unarmed, and no bomb was discovered in Savage's car, leading to accusations that the British government had conspired to murder them. An inquest in Gibraltar ruled that the SAS had acted lawfully, while the European Court of Human Rights held that, although there had been no conspiracy, the planning and control of the operation was so flawed as to make the use of lethal force almost inevitable.
The deaths were the first in a chain of violent events in a fourteen-day period; they were followed by the Milltown Cemetery attack and the corporals killings in Belfast.

There is an old thread but it appears to be closed:
http://www.politics.ie/forum/northern-ireland/119238-death-rock-21-years-later-still-official-version-lives.html
 
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So it's 30 years on since members of the SAS shot dead unarmed members of an IRA bombing team on a roadside in Gibraltar.
They shot hundreds of unarmed people. Kneeling them down on their door steps & shooting them unarmed & pleading for their lives, often in front of their wives and children - they can hardly whinge about being unarmed.

The paramilitaries took not a single surviving prisoner - they can hardly cry foul.
 

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It was a law and order issue hence the shoot to kill policy :lol:
 

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They shot hundreds of unarmed people. Kneeling them down on their door steps & shooting them unarmed & pleading for their lives, often in front of their wives and children - they can hardly whinge about being unarmed.

The paramilitaries took not a single surviving prisoner - they can hardly cry foul.
So we hold the British state to the same standard as the Provos?
 

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Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
But their intelligence was wrong. So tbey ended up executing an unarmed woman in broad daylight. Foot on her neck while shooting her in the head.
 

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people killed on their way to kill people..seems fair enough..
 

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So we hold the British state to the same standard as the Provos?
I'm afraid that the problem with you and others like you, is that you don't hold the Provos and their ilk to any standard at all. Meanwhile, you are more concerned at the lawful killings of these three murderous fanatics than you would have been at the mass-murder of their potentially numerous victims.
 

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Unarmed, no bomb, soldiers breaking multiple aspects of the Geneva Convention.
The Geneva Conventions had absolutely no relevance to the incident, as you well know.
 

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So we hold the British state to the same standard as the Provos?
No murder by british state just law and order as per rule of law and international standards. The absurdity of the last 50 years is that it is mainly sf/ira complaining about the brits. Sf/ira has given human rights a bad name.
 

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In the wider scheme of things the political representatives of the PIRA have been accepted into the political systems of the two relevant states in a manner which suggests that their view that they were fighting a war has been accepted with freedom from prosecution and other very substantial concessions. Their supporters would do well to quietly forget about these kinds of incidents in that context also. If you were fighting a war it can hardly be a surprise that the others shoot back at you at a time of their own choosing-just as you have been doing. There's a funny kind of attitude that yes the PIRA were fighting a war but the SAS were not is it?
 

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While it's always better to capture and interrogate paraamilitaries there's a problem arises when faced with those who openly boasted of being able to remotely trigger an explosion. That they couldn't was only known after the event.
 

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But their intelligence was wrong.
Well, you have to go with what you have sometimes, imagine if it had been correct and they did nothing?
So they ended up executing an unarmed woman in broad daylight. Foot on her neck while shooting her in the head.
Well to be strictly correct, they executed a known terrorist who they believed to be armed and posing a lethal threat. At least no innocent people were killed or injured.

Anyway, in the words of the great Windsor Davis:

"Oh dear, 'ow sad. Never mind".
 

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