39 dead in truck - Northern Irish driver - possible murder charge

mr_anderson

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Long story short, the topic came up in relation to the Ana Kriegel case the 14-year-old girl who was murdered and sexually assaulted in Lucan/Leixlip earlier in the year by two of her young class-mates. The program concentrated not on the murder and sexual assault itself but with the mob bullying she had to experience day-in, day-out in her local school.
Why was she bullied ?
 


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Pretty amazing that these two can evade arrest on the Island of Ireland ( if they are on the Island ) in this day and age . Should we consider setting up a Police Force ?
May be "good republicans" so there would be plenty of rocks to hid under.
 

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Why was she bullied ?
Speaking from sad experience here, she was bullied because the bullies summed up the situation and figured that they could get away with it.
In my own history as a child I was unfortunate to have had a good memory and so was put in a class ahead of me. Not much you can do to fight back if you don't measure up even to the shoulder of the bully/bullies.
In Ana's case, she was partially deaf and perhaps handicapped in some other way. She was an outsider -- adoptee from Russia. She seemed to have dressed kind of provocatively -- tight jeans etc. This is just what I've gleaned from following the case on the multiple news sites : Irish examiner, Irishtimes, Rte news website, Herald, Independent etc. There's so much little details information scattered around. Someone should compile it all and put it in a book. I would add that her mother was advised by some counsellor in the school to Not enrol her. Her mother did however go ahead with it.
 

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:) Well, there are whole communities at this (with relatives and friends of those trying to get to the UK probably here for years already). I'd say they'd have most angles sussed. The fact that it continues indicates that, on balance, it's probably a risk worth taking given their circumstances. I'm sure smugglers are also keen to get repeat business and, therefore, have to have minimum standards (or the word will get back), e.g. the repayments of borrowed money to parents of some those who died (probably not primarily for humanitarian reasons, but more to build up goodwill and encourage future business). Some of those who died had tried to get over the channel more than once (turned back from the UK to France and tried again). If you've racked up all that debt getting to France, then one would keep trying until one actually got to the UK. I'd imagine the worst treated would be those with no money to bring to the table. In some cases, I'd imagine a gang might smuggle some desperate young lad or girl over "for free" (though probably with the catch of being effectively shackled to some dodgy cannabis growing operation until his "debt" was paid off, or some forced prostitution for the girl in spite of promises of "nail bar" work).
Wherever you have a border, there's a demand to get across. Usually there's a price differential on both sides of the border -- and money to be earned.
I recall back in the 80s taking a train from Italy to Socialist Yugoslavia. It took ages and ages for a short journey. Eventually a custom's man came into the compartment for six passengers asking for passports all round. The five Yugoslavs all obediently complied and answered the man's questions in the Yugo lingo as did yours truly -- except that I couldn't speak Yugo
Then -- no joke -- the customs man had a screwdriver and a stool with him and proceeded to unscrew the ceiling of the carriage compartment.
Inadvertently I let out a big sigh of shock and surprise whereupon the other Yugo passengers all burst out laughing in a long guffaw. Well Jaysus! The customs man gave me one look of such intense anger that it would have boiled water. The Yugos -- all obedient citizens of the people's republic of Yugoslavia relished the moment to the fullest. They said later that they were surprised that I wasn't hauled off for questioning or imprisonment. But!
You can't control surprise or expressions of surprise if it's completely genuine.
I heard later that the man was searching for coffee as a puntitive import tax had been imposed on this commodity so as to stabilize the economy.
 

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Are we allowed to mention the nationality of one of those jailed ?
Why wouldn't you be allowed to talk about anything that you wanted to talk about ?
it's scary that you seem to be asking permission to talk about things that are on your mind
have things gotten so bad that your afraid of the thought police .
 

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Another thing that needs to happen are oxygen detectors are installed in every trailer so that the driver is aware if people are in the back of the trailer he is transporting ..... it's all for safety of course ;) you have to use the lefts own weapons against them , and it would be a very cheap and easy thing to do .
 

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Are we allowed to mention the nationality of one of those jailed ?
My opinion : Within the jurisdiction of Saorstát Eireann you are not allowed. In the more recent case of a female teacher sleeping with her 16 or 17 year old male pupil I came across (Was it in the Mirror on Sunday?) a report about how her name was mentioned on an American website -- the judge or Irish law or both of them had ruled that it in order to protect the anonymity of the victim that the accused/convicted was not allowed to be named either. The American news-site's responded to the chiding by the Irish reporter about ignoring Irish law with the pretty astute reponse: " If everybody and every news-site in the world went by this rule of refusing to name the child-molester, rapist then where would be ?
Ireland is an Island, I guess.😣

Read this -- Gosh this is actually going off on what should be another thread from the Vietnamese tragedy! --
It's got it all: Paedophile priests, compliant superindendents of the gardai, murder and crucifixion, cover-ups satanic devil worship -- pretty botched too and child murder. All in holy Ireland of the early seventies. Makes for very compelling reading and gives some perspective on the awful events in Lucan of late. Nothing that might upset the liberal wing of promoting Swahili in the West, East North and South of Ireland
 

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In the more recent case of a female teacher sleeping with her 16 or 17 year old male pupil I came across

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I wonder how long reference to that case will be allowed to remain.

When the very lenient sentence was reported in the papers I mentioned it in response to a post by a mod about male sexual predators earlier in this thread. It was instantly deleted and I was warned that reposting it would lead to all sorts of dire consequences.
 

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My opinion : Within the jurisdiction of Saorstát Eireann you are not allowed. In the more recent case of a female teacher sleeping with her 16 or 17 year old male pupil I came across (Was it in the Mirror on Sunday?) a report about how her name was mentioned on an American website -- the judge or Irish law or both of them had ruled that it in order to protect the anonymity of the victim that the accused/convicted was not allowed to be named either. The American news-site's responded to the chiding by the Irish reporter about ignoring Irish law with the pretty astute reponse: " If everybody and every news-site in the world went by this rule of refusing to name the child-molester, rapist then where would be ?
Ireland is an Island, I guess.😣

Read this -- Gosh this is actually going off on what should be another thread from the Vietnamese tragedy! --
It's got it all: Paedophile priests, compliant superindendents of the gardai, murder and crucifixion, cover-ups satanic devil worship -- pretty botched too and child murder. All in holy Ireland of the early seventies. Makes for very compelling reading and gives some perspective on the awful events in Lucan of late. Nothing that might upset the liberal wing of promoting Swahili in the West, East North and South of Ireland
So why didn't you post it in the proper thread?
 

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So why didn't you post it in the proper thread?
mr_anderson said:
Are we allowed to mention the nationality of one of those jailed ?
I was replying to mr_andersons' question on the Kriegel case which is a little bit above my post. But doing further research back I see that it was me who moved the subject back in post # 137. I mentioned the case a black girl from a mixed race marriage who ended up committing suicide. In my view a rapid growth in the percentage of "new Irish" or new Vietnamese will not go unnoticed by the general population -- (unless you live in Killiney) and it will mean more competition for social services such as housing, health and education. Now connect that with financially secure immigrants (€40,000 passage) using a refrigeration lorry to get into the UK.... God luv 'em. It's bound to add to the burden of the Irish integrating into the new modern Ireland
 

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I wonder how long reference to that case will be allowed to remain.

When the very lenient sentence was reported in the papers I mentioned it in response to a post by a mod about male sexual predators earlier in this thread. It was instantly deleted and I was warned that reposting it would lead to all sorts of dire consequences.
I really would appreciate some sort of knowledge of those who operate at server level. Of course their main function is the make sure that anything posted does not run foul of the law. Nevertheless info on who is in a political party, the gender ratio among them would be useful. It gets kind of grotesque in some of the threads where a sort of browbeating takes place between those operating at server level against those who are not politically correct and who are liable to be sent to the zoo if they don't comply (or agree).
 

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I was replying to mr_andersons' question on the Kriegel case which is a little bit above my post. But doing further research back I see that it was me who moved the subject back in post # 137. I mentioned the case a black girl from a mixed race marriage who ended up committing suicide. In my view a rapid growth in the percentage of "new Irish" or new Vietnamese will not go unnoticed by the general population -- (unless you live in Killiney) and it will mean more competition for social services such as housing, health and education. Now connect that with financially secure immigrants (€40,000 passage) using a refrigeration lorry to get into the UK.... God luv 'em. It's bound to add to the burden of the Irish integrating into the new modern Ireland
At least you are willing to admit that you are willing to insult the dead Vietnamese to promote your own story of interest.
 

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At least you are willing to admit that you are willing to insult the dead Vietnamese to promote your own story of interest.
It might seem that I am lacking in sympathy for the poor girl in question -- but to be shelling out €40,000 to come over and live off some European country's taxpayers with some makey-uppie hard-luck story to my mind looks very much like a miss-use of people's better nature.
As I mentioned above, if she shelled out 40 grand for the passage over, that must be a fraction of what she has in her bank account or bit coin account.
Even just if you consider the 40 grand. She's rich by Vietnamese standards -- and young as well. What does she need people's charity for?
I refer you to the overcrowding figures for the Irish hospitals, the lack of GPs in rural Ireland, the nr of homeless, the state of our schools.
Regrets of course that we are not in sync as regards the latest tragedy, but use your loaf! She went into it with both eyes open. It's as much her fault as the fault of that Nordie Lorry driver and to sum it up in one word: This tragedy was avoidable
 

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It might seem that I am lacking in sympathy for the poor girl in question -- but to be shelling out €40,000 to come over and live off some European country's taxpayers with some makey-uppie hard-luck story to my mind looks very much like a miss-use of people's better nature.
As I mentioned above, if she shelled out 40 grand for the passage over, that must be a fraction of what she has in her bank account or bit coin account.
Even just if you consider the 40 grand. She's rich by Vietnamese standards -- and young as well. What does she need people's charity for?
I refer you to the overcrowding figures for the Irish hospitals, the lack of GPs in rural Ireland, the nr of homeless, the state of our schools.
Regrets of course that we are not in sync as regards the latest tragedy, but use your loaf! She went into it with both eyes open. It's as much her fault as the fault of that Nordie Lorry driver and to sum it up in one word: This tragedy was avoidable
What poor girl are you referring to, 39 persons are dead.

Can you post links to her withdrawing that money from her bank account?

Apart from the fact that they were not on their way to Ireland, can you post some links to show that Asian persons in the work force have higher unemployment rates.
 

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There is a border in Ireland, everyone of them learned their trade on that. Ireland is full of criminals, with international connections, so is Great Britain.

Doh.
 

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Here we go again folks. They will have to check every container from now on and that'll cost us.



Up to 16 people have been found alive in the back of truck on a ferry, which is en route to Rosslare Europort in Co Wexford.
It is understood the discovery was made by a ferry staff member who heard banging from inside the truck on a scheduled Stena Line ferry from France.
All of the people involved are men aged between 20 and 40 years old, and it is believed they said they had travelled from Belgium up to five days ago.
 


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