48% of Northern Irish would vote for United Ireland in shock new poll.


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As an aside it is always hilarious on these threads when the tiny minority of partitionist loons and Loyalist trolls start screeching their heads off at the prospect of a UI...
 

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As an aside it is always hilarious on these threads when the tiny minority of partitionist loons and Loyalist trolls start screeching their heads off at the prospect of a UI...
At a certain point one suspects panic. You can imagine the news reports in the days following unification.

'A Northern Irish lorry driver was arrested today in Stranraer following the discovery of twenty seven refugees hidden in his trailer. The men, all wearing bowler hats and orange sashes, are claiming to be Iranian and all under the age of thirteen.'
 

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'The refugees are all receiving medical care for conditions ranging from dehydration to Eyebrow-Elephantiasis.'
 

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If it happens we’ll deal with it. We’ll manage.
It's long past the time when the old "Oh Lord make me good, but not yet" was acceptable.

That sort of thing was fine decades ago when Unionism had a clear solid 60%+ majority and a UI was only theoretical and something to be routinely given a bit of the old plámás once a year.

Unionism is now a minority, the UK is in crisis, and Brexit is going ahead. We need an actual Plan, and we need one now. This is happening.

"Ah sure she'll be grand" is no longer a rational response.
 

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To achieve a United Ireland the poll would have to be a clear victory ,otherwise a civil war could ensue.
It would have to be a clear 75% for a United country

Irrespective of outcome could you imagine what it would be like in the Irish Parliament with thirty or forty Unionist MP's debating

Certainly would bring some life to the place.
Oh, my Lord.....the agreement isn't about your personal wish list....if a poll results in a 1,000,001 to 1,000,000 for reunification then the British government has committed to enabling legislation to make it so....a civil war will NOT ensue....mental Willie Frazer and some others will bluster for a while....might even get a coupe of small explosions and a modicum of demonstrations up the Shankill favoring UDI for "Ulster" but that'll be about the height of it....
Who exactly the fúck are you to set a 75% parameter?
 

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Oh, my Lord.....the agreement isn't about your personal wish list....if a poll results in a 1,000,001 to 1,000,000 for reunification then the British government has committed to enabling legislation to make it so....a civil war will NOT ensue....mental Willie Frazer and some others will bluster for a while....might even get a coupe of small explosions and a modicum of demonstrations up the Shankill favoring UDI for "Ulster" but that'll be about the height of it....
Who exactly the fúck are you to set a 75% parameter?
They then all head for Larne and set up a camp with the odd one tying themselfs to the axle of passing lorry's with their sash.
 

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As an aside it is always hilarious on these threads when the tiny minority of partitionist loons and Loyalist trolls start screeching their heads off at the prospect of a UI...
I think you had a wee sabbatical from this place for a while....did you secretly hope that sanity would break out while you were gone?
Not a hope......the knobs have become more strident it seems on the few occasions when I can be arsed to log on.....and polls would seem to support the facts that Irish people are in favour of wholesale evictions, homelessness and the degrading of what I can absolutely tell you is a brilliant health service when you get the benefits of the people who do the real work in it.....
You made a good decision to go live in NZ.....I've become more and more disillusioned by the Irish electorate...their ignorance, their apathy and their callous disregard for anybody who falls on hard times.....
 

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I think you had a wee sabbatical from this place for a while....did you secretly hope that sanity would break out while you were gone?
On p.ie? LOL not a hope, it's a zoo full of demented lunatics. But that's what makes it fun.

Not a hope......the knobs have become more strident it seems on the few occasions when I can be arsed to log on.....and polls would seem to support the facts that Irish people are in favour of wholesale evictions, homelessness and the degrading of what I can absolutely tell you is a brilliant health service when you get the benefits of the people who do the real work in it.....
You made a good decision to go live in NZ.....I've become more and more disillusioned by the Irish electorate...their ignorance, their apathy and their callous disregard for anybody who falls on hard times.....
I think we are now quite a bit past the high-water-mark of the Trump/Brexit alt-right racist populist wave. Still loads of them on p.ie screeching away of course, and always will be, but they are now on the wane in the really real world. It's going to be great fun poking them with sticks as their fantasies crash and burn around them over the next couple of years. So there's that to look forward to :p

The Irish electorate....yeah I think a lot of that is still a hangover from the FrontParlourism of old-skool conservative Catholic social teaching. When you think about it it was only the early 90s when the cracks started to appear in Church dominance. Anyone over around the late-40s is still more likely than not to be a Believer, and to have been well indoctrinated in those attitides. And of course the Church still control the schools and still pettily trying to enforce their social hierarchies through school admissions.

It'll be another generation or two before that petty and vicious Catholic social snobbery starts to lose out to more enlightened attitudes. But it will happen, eventually. I'd say younger people will be able to enjoy real changes in Irish political and social attitudes over the next couple of decades.
 

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If it happens we’ll deal with it. We’ll manage.
Nothing would be achieved by a border poll unless you consider highlighting the sectarian headcount in the north worthwhile. I'll believe it when I see it but as someone said years ago - half of the north are loyal to the crown but all are loyal to the half crown.
 

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Nothing would be achieved by a border poll unless you consider highlighting the sectarian headcount in the north worthwhile. I'll believe it when I see it but as someone said years ago - half of the north are loyal to the crown but all are loyal to the half crown.
Thank you for sharing your ignorant and outdated partitionist views from the 1970s.

Seriously like, this post is so absurdly clichéd and wrong and totally out of touch with the reality of NI in 2019, you should actually be very, very embarrassed.
 

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... When you think about it it was only the early 90s when the cracks started to appear in Church dominance. Anyone over around the late-40s is still more likely than not to be a Believer, and to have been well indoctrinated in those attitides. And of course the Church still control the schools and still pettily trying to enforce their social hierarchies through school admissions.

It'll be another generation or two before that petty and vicious Catholic social snobbery starts to lose out to more enlightened attitudes. But it will happen, eventually. I'd say younger people will be able to enjoy real changes in Irish political and social attitudes over the next couple of decades.
I'm afraid you're mistaken if you think that the elimination of Catholic Church dominance is ushering in a new golden age for Ireland. The current figures are something like:
790,000 people living in poverty
80,000 needed food parcels last year
700,000 waiting for hospital treatment
3,826 children homeless
"Average" house price in Dublin €384,000

Then you have all the bad debts, increasing inequality (ensured by FGFF), increasing taxes, increasing crime, Brexit problems, and so on. You don't seem to realize that the Catholic Church no longer has any influence, let alone dominance. Do you think the people in power now have a moral compass that the bishops lacked in the old days? Are you imagining that after a generation you'll return to a spanking new, progressive, prosperous Ireland? God bless your optimism.
 

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I'm afraid you're mistaken if you think that the elimination of Catholic Church dominance is ushering in a new golden age for Ireland. The current figures are something like:
790,000 people living in poverty
80,000 needed food parcels last year
700,000 waiting for hospital treatment
3,826 children homeless
"Average" house price in Dublin €384,000

Then you have all the bad debts, increasing inequality (ensured by FGFF), increasing taxes, increasing crime, Brexit problems, and so on. You don't seem to realize that the Catholic Church no longer has any influence, let alone dominance. Do you think the people in power now have a moral compass that the bishops lacked in the old days? Are you imagining that after a generation you'll return to a spanking new, progressive, prosperous Ireland? God bless your optimism.
You appear to be arguing against the Voices in your head, not anything I actually said.

The people who are actually in charge of descision making, particularly in socio-economic matters, are still all of the older indoctrinated conservative Catholic mindset. It hasn't been anywhere near long enough for the virus of Catholic social conservatism to work its way through the system. Especially given they still have a lock on schools and hospitals and the Depts of Education and Health are notorious for being heavily infiltrated by priest-licking bead-rattling Believers on a mission from Jebus.
 

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I'm afraid you're mistaken if you think that the elimination of Catholic Church dominance is ushering in a new golden age for Ireland. The current figures are something like:
790,000 people living in poverty
Who are these 790,000 ?

Are they the Margaret Cash's of this country who never work, yet take home €52,000 per year courtesy of the taxpayer ?
 

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Who are these 790,000 ?

Are they the Margaret Cash's of this country who never work, yet take home €52,000 per year courtesy of the taxpayer ?
The same 790000 touted round by social justice Ireland to justify more taxes and more spending. They have criteria like you're living in poverty if you can't have friends round for drinks once a fortnight.
 

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To achieve a United Ireland the poll would have to be a clear victory ,otherwise a civil war could ensue.
It would have to be a clear 75% for a United country

Irrespective of outcome could you imagine what it would be like in the Irish Parliament with thirty or forty Unionist MP's debating

Certainly would bring some life to the place.
Have you got a problem with understanding democracy, a clear majority though preferable is not required, 50% plus 1 is required. Tick Tock
 

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John is alarmed at the prospect of an end to his personal hobby of fifth-columnism. Interesting how he kept that relatively quiet when he was on a cabinet salary in the Republic. One can but hope he discovers the joys of Hornby train sets to keep him amused in his dotage.

The prospect of a United Ireland on the horizon does bring up the subject of what changes would be necessary to administer it securely in such a way as to gain acceptance from all sides of the community in NI.

I'd propose something fairly radical and a double-win in looking again at regional government on the island as a whole. I'd see a transitional arrangement to build confidence with overall governmental responsibility shared by an Executive reporting to both British and Irish cabinet level and containing cabinet members from both states.

Below that I'd parallel a reformed system of regional governance with new emphasis on the four provinces model which would allow people in NI to be reassured that they would still be governed by people in Northern Ireland in daily matters. In the south the opportunity would be there to shift pothole-government into provincial models with savings to be made at local government level and in procurement and urban and rural planning matters.

It would be an idea time to attack some longstanding issues around 'co-location' for instance. Apart from transition to unification being a time of possible nervousness and crisis I'd prefer it to be buttressed by welcome reform both north and south.
The department mandarins will be most reluctant to release their tight grip on power, particularly local government. An event like a UI would be the ideal opportunity to bypass these unelected power hungry merchants and equally as challenging to achieve as a workable UI. John, I cannot believe I was Taoiseach Bruton, most assuredly shares those concerns with mandarins. I wonder what the other Bruton thinks?
 

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The same 790000 touted round by social justice Ireland to justify more taxes and more spending. They have criteria like you're living in poverty if you can't have friends round for drinks once a fortnight.
Or can't buy the kids the latest liverpool or man utd jersey, tough going so it is.
 

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Whats wrong with wearing a Liverpool or Man United jersey . We see people wearing Irish jerseys everywhere.
 
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