5 ways to avoid a hard brexit

McSlaggart

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"On Thursday Mr Varadkar said there were five ways to avoid a hard border – the reunification of Ireland; the Irish Republic re-joining the UK; the UK remaining in the single market or customs union; the border backstop mechanism; or the UK reversing the Brexit decision."1

Sammy Wilson responded with "talking up support for a united Ireland to an international audience."1

It looks like sammy thinks the united Ireland is the best option.


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"On Thursday Mr Varadkar said there were five ways to avoid a hard border – the reunification of Ireland; the Irish Republic re-joining the UK; the UK remaining in the single market or customs union; the border backstop mechanism; or the UK reversing the Brexit decision."1
1) Reunion of Ireland - thats a long term goal, not possible in short term
2) Irish republic rejoining the UK - Not going to happen
3) The UK remaining in the single market or customs union - possible
4) The border backstop mechanism - possible
5) Reversing the Brexit decision - possible but unlikely due to political upheaveal it would cause
 

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NI could be a zone of both UK & EU customs areas. Like the centre of a venn diagram.

Make it into a modern version of a Shannon free trade zone. A dual-trade zone, so to speak.

This would boost the local economy, allowing England to reduce it's annual fiscal transfers and place it in a far better shape for when reunification occurs.
 

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"On Thursday Mr Varadkar said there were five ways to avoid a hard border – the reunification of Ireland; the Irish Republic re-joining the UK; the UK remaining in the single market or customs union; the border backstop mechanism; or the UK reversing the Brexit decision."1

Sammy Wilson responded with "talking up support for a united Ireland to an international audience."1

It looks like sammy thinks the united Ireland is the best option.


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Maybe he fell, hit his head, woke up and then realised his checkered past had caught up with him and released that statement.;)
 

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Correct, and No. 6 is the only one that Varadkar has within his gift. All the other 5 are outside his control, and already rejected.
Think you will find that no 6 has also been rejected in its current form . Or do you think Ireland and the EU don't get a say in this . There is no difference to Ireland between Boris nonsense deal and a no deal for us. Both lead to a hard border a destablized north and the breaking of the GFA. Might as well get the extension and see what else the brits are going to offer. A short term Hard border for a few years is better than agreeing to a indefinate one.
 

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Think you will find that no 6 has also been rejected in its current form . Or do you think Ireland and the EU don't get a say in this . There is no difference to Ireland between Boris nonsense deal and a no deal for us. Both lead to a hard border a destablized north and the breaking of the GFA. Might as well get the extension and see what else the brits are going to offer. A short term Hard border for a few years is better than agreeing to a indefinate one.


The concerns you raise are the objectives of these AH brexiteers which need to be resisted by all Irish people.
 

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1) Reunion of Ireland - thats a long term goal, not possible in short term
2) Irish republic rejoining the UK - Not going to happen
3) The UK remaining in the single market or customs union - possible
4) The border backstop mechanism - possible
5) Reversing the Brexit decision - possible but unlikely due to political upheaveal it would cause
Yes, (1) or (2) are not on.

(4) is meant to be an insurance policy should a Free Trade Agreement not come to pass. Since the Tory Version of Brexit is that of a low-tax, low-wage economy in competition with Ireland, Ireland cannot afford to fudge on the Backstop.

I would replace (5) with BINO "Brexit In Name Only", which may be another version of (3). A full reversal of Brexit this soon would be too fractious.
 

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Correct, and No. 6 is the only one that Varadkar has within his gift. All the other 5 are outside his control, and already rejected.
Another one who needs telling: doesn't avoid a hard border. If it did, why don't you think Sweden and Norway, with regulatory alignment but in different customs territories, haven't adopted a frictionless border model?
 

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NI could be a zone of both UK & EU customs areas. Like the centre of a venn diagram.

Make it into a modern version of a Shannon free trade zone. A dual-trade zone, so to speak.

This would boost the local economy, allowing England to reduce it's annual fiscal transfers and place it in a far better shape for when reunification occurs.
Not sure how that would work in practice. Which external tariffs would it apply? Which rules of origin would it apply?
 

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Wouldn't you love to be the lad designated to inform the people at the farm on the border that it is their bounden duty to assist unionism by helping to install a hard border across their land.

Short-straw job of the century, I'd say, in thinking about some of the farms in particular along that way. :)
 

livingstone

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And hand a veto to the DUP/UDA/UFF/ OO. Not going to fly. Wonder why?
There is that too. The way the consent approach is structured at the moment is clearly also a non-runner.

But that can be got round, I think. You could construct a consent mechanism that is based on changing the default, so that the provisions apply unless NI consents to them not applying - the reverse of the approach proposed by the UK.

That way the onus is on the DUP to build enough support for a motion to disapply the provisions. They are unlikely to have a majority in the Assembly or Executive to do that. So the consent mechanism could basically be much less problematic.

The problem still would be the customs approach requiring customs declarations and checks.
 


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