500+ Sir Humphreys paid €100k+ hush money in the last 3 years

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Irish Sir Humphreys view it as their job to conspire against the people

They are well rewarded for same

One in five civil servants paid lump sums of over
More than 500 senior civil servants have received retirement lump sums in excess of €100,000 in the past three years.
...Five senior officials received lump sums of €250,000- €300,000, 11 received payments of €200,000-€250,000 and 43 received payments of €150,000-€200,000.
..All of these people have pensions of more than €100,000 a year.
The private sector simply does not do the above for salaried staff ...it hush money, plain and simple

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It is the Irish Mandarin class.

Brought and bought into being during the Aherne years of Fianna Fail where public money was thrown at the civil service and the trade unions to buy votes.
 

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We should be thanking these people not maligning them.

They have given years of 'service' to the public and all they have got in return was an obscene salary and a pension worth millions of Euro.
 

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One in 5 civil servants isn't just the Mandarins. It's the satsumas below them as well.
 

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I can't see how it is hush money, they are entitled to it under contract. But the public sector payment bill is clearly not sustainable; it has grown nearly 100% over 8 years. Not even our funky GDP growth can match that.
 

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The last 3 principals in our school only did @ 5 years as principal. Each was pretty poor and the school is just about managing to stay open as numbers have nosedived despite other schools bursting at the seams.

Each went out on pensions based on their earnings as principals despite on
Y doing it for 1/8 of their working lives
 

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With rising life expectancy and greater numbers of public sector pensioners, the bill for pensions is rising sharply. In 2008, the public sector pension bill was €1.6 billion. Last year it was €2.8 billion.

Where is that money coming from? You and me, it's being sucked out of the economy and going where exactly? What does a retired cvil servant spend all this money on, where is it going, is there any evidence it is trickling down or being returned to the local economy to keep businesses viable? None that I know of but all the government does is demand more from us to pay these Kants, bullying and threats have become the new discourse between government and voter, the bigger the twat or bastard you are the better you do within government it seems, is this any way to run a country?
 

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Hush money suggests some rationale to it. This was a case of senior civil servants conspiring with the Bertie Ahern administration so they both could dip their hands in the state coffers. Both groups justified their massive pay hikes (and consequent pensions) by reference to each other.

We've already seen cases where public sector retirees may end up getting a bigger pension that what they actually earned throughout their career, never mind tax paid to run the country, and never never mind any notional pension contributions they made.

Given increasing life expectancy and the fact that meagre private sector pensions are being raided to actually fund this, something is going to have to be done about it, whether by constitutional referendum or not.
 

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Irish Sir Humphreys view it as their job to conspire against the people

They are well rewarded for same

One in five civil servants paid lump sums of over


The private sector simply does not do the above for salaried staff ...it hush money, plain and simple

cyp
All goes back to the same question. What to look for at budget time? We should be concentrating on expenditure rather than taxation. We get very poor bang for our buck in this country, especially in regard to the PS. At least if I remember correctly, future pensions and lump sums are to be calculated from lifetime earnings rather than finishing salary - sometimes of as little duration as a year or two. Or was this proposal shot down too?
 

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Most of this money isn't even going back into the economy. It's going into the Caribbean and Mediterranean Cruise Industry.
 

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Over the past few years it has become obvious, to me at least, that much of this country's problems stem from the weak and incapable senior civil servants.

They see governments come and go, but keep the "work" of government going ad infinitum. They keep silent as particular government policies nearly bankrupt the nation, but they themselves have no fear of accountability or any real consequences. They'll just borrow more to pay their salaries and pensions.

90% of the civil service are relatively decent and hardworking, even if the work they're paid to do bewilders many, but the top 10% are ridiculously overpaid, have no accountability and are immune to the decisions made by their "ministers" on their advice.

They have bought into a "mandarin" class, too like the British system we supposedly overthrew 90+ years ago, but instead of collecting a peerage at the end of a career they award themselves ridiculous pensions at unsustainable levels.

Their silence and obsequiousness is bought and paid for by the salaries the elected government allows them take and few of them could survive in the "real world" without the contacts and influence, so they cling to the job, never rocking the boat.

Increasingly, as new government policy threatens to bring is back to near ruin again, these, in my mind, are the real traitors.
 
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Seem to recall a few of them across a range of depts and institutions being allowed to take a voluntary pay drop when we hit rock bottom to escape the higher rates of tax and USC being introduced as well....


Showing my age but i remember when a few papal knighthoods were the order of the day for our establishment class in lieu of a gong from across the water..... maybe it's gone out of fashion....
 

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The last 3 principals in our school only did @ 5 years as principal. Each was pretty poor and the school is just about managing to stay open as numbers have nosedived despite other schools bursting at the seams.

Each went out on pensions based on their earnings as principals despite on
Y doing it for 1/8 of their working lives
Sunday game panelist Pat Spillane was a school principle who took early retirement , he said he did not really want to but the money offered was just too good , in fact he said it was crazy when people like him who were already in good paying jobs and pensions were getting huge pay offs and lump sums.

He said he took it because if you are offered it you don't turn it down but admitted that the money was well over and above what should have been given.
 

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Seem to recall a few of them across a range of depts and institutions being allowed to take a voluntary pay drop when we hit rock bottom to escape the higher rates of tax and USC being introduced as well....


Showing my age but i remember when a few papal knighthoods were the order of the day for our establishment class in lieu of a gong from across the water..... maybe it's gone out of fashion....
Yeah - I think they just settle for the eye watering lump-sums and 6 figure pension now.
 

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Sunday game panelist Pat Spillane was a school principle who took early retirement , he said he did not really want to but the money offered was just too good , in fact he said it was crazy when people like him who were already in good paying jobs and pensions were getting huge pay offs and lump sums.

He said he took it because if you are offered it you don't turn it down but admitted that the money was well over and above what should have been given.
My Father is of the same opinion. He received a 60k lump some and a pension of 500 euro and he says it is excessive because he has his mortgage paid and income from a second house. He reckons it is only a matter of time before this public service craziness will end.
 

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I don't know a single civil servant or PS person around these parts who retired at 60. Mostly it's in their early to mid 50's. Which makes the pension worth even more.

The pension paid to the average civil servant who retires at 60 with 40 years of service would cost a whopping €1.5 million if bought in the marketplace. On this basis the average civil servant could be classified as a millionaire.
Colm Keena: Pensions could make millionaires of civil servants
 

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Unfortunately what was meant to be a decent pension that would keep lower paid Civil and Public Servants relatively comfortable in retirement has been hijacked by Higher level officers who get exactly the same terms and conditions when there should be a cap on both the Lump and the actual pension.
The idea that someone walks out with €200,000 + in their back pocket and a yearly pension of €80-€90-€100,000 + is outrageous and manifestly unfair. The pension should be never more than €50,000 and the lump €100,000 and even that is being exceptionally generous. The pension is meant to keep you comfortable in retirement not richer than 90% of the working population.
It is indefensible.
 

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The sooner the whole thing is privatised the better, the current ff/fg/lab setup-we have a few Indos in there temporarily- is never going to change anything.

These civil servants are only human and are availing of remuneration/retirement packages awarded to them by Government.

The Government are to blame for not slashing all public servant's pay by 50%.


(This is the key piece imo, what are they going to do about it?)

What we need is a new political party one that we can all get behind, one that will be pro-enterprise, slash red tape (especially the hated health & safety legislation) and set the private sector on the path to creating a better country based on merit alone.

I'm sure the Irish people would vote in their droves for such a party.


Lets be havin' ye.
 

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Unfortunately what was meant to be a decent pension that would keep lower paid Civil and Public Servants relatively comfortable in retirement has been hijacked by Higher level officers who get exactly the same terms and conditions when there should be a cap on both the Lump and the actual pension.
The idea that someone walks out with €200,000 + in their back pocket and a yearly pension of €80-€90-€100,000 + is outrageous and manifestly unfair. The pension should be never more than €50,000 and the lump €100,000 and even that is being exceptionally generous. The pension is meant to keep you comfortable in retirement not richer than 90% of the working population.
It is indefensible.
Yup - these guys and gals have been ripping us off since they realised the elected government would buy their silence.
 

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Unfortunately what was meant to be a decent pension that would keep lower paid Civil and Public Servants relatively comfortable in retirement has been hijacked by Higher level officers who get exactly the same terms and conditions when there should be a cap on both the Lump and the actual pension.
The idea that someone walks out with €200,000 + in their back pocket and a yearly pension of €80-€90-€100,000 + is outrageous and manifestly unfair. The pension should be never more than €50,000 and the lump €100,000 and even that is being exceptionally generous. The pension is meant to keep you comfortable in retirement not richer than 90% of the working population.
It is indefensible.
At least two other significant stakeholder are analogous- TD's and GS/AGSs of Public Sector Unions-IMPACT, AHCS etc.(moral hazard?)
 


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