7 November 1917 - Revolution in Russia - 100 years ago today

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All countries should be democratic. It makes them wealthier, healthier,freer and safer.
I don't know if your expressed faith in the virtues of parliamentary democracy is either insincere or naïve.

“Democratic states of the capitalist world have not one sovereign, but two: their people,
below, and the international ‘markets’ above. Globalization, financialisation and European integration have weakened the former and strengthened the latter. The balance of power is now rapidly shifting towards the top. Formerly, leaders were required who understood and spoke the language of the people; today it is the language of money that they have to master. ‘People whisperers’ are succeeded by ‘capital whisperers’ who, it is hoped, know the secret tricks needed to ensure that investors receive their money back with compound interest. Since investor confidence is more important now than voter confidence, the ongoing takeover of power by the confidants of capital is seen by centre left and right alike not as a problem, but as the solution”
- Wolfgang Streek, (2012) ‘Markets and People’ New Left Review 2012 73:63-71
 


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The Treaty of Brest Litovsk, which surrendered the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus, Finland and Poland to Germany was undoubtedly a major factor on causing the Russian Civil War. Do you agree on that?
No I do not - irrespective of whether the Soviet government made a deal with the Germans - a combination of the White Movement and the Imperialist powers were always going to mount a counter-revolution and attempt to overthrow the workers state. The very existence of a workers state in Russia was a major threat to the ruling elites in every capitalist country (including Ireland).
 

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No I do not - irrespective of whether the Soviet government made a deal with the Germans - a combination of the White Movement and the Imperialist powers were always going to mount a counter-revolution and attempt to overthrow the workers state. The very existence of a workers state in Russia was a major threat to the ruling elites in every capitalist country (including Ireland).

And replacing it with a doctrinaire, totalitarian, Communist elite.....
 

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Ten days that shaped the twentieth century; Russian Revolution
General Secretary of the Communist Party of Ireland Eugene McCartan writes in the November 2017 issue of Socialist Voice
“This November, tens of millions of working people around the world will celebrate the centenary of the Russian Revolution, which took place on 7 November 1917 (or 25 October according to the Julian calendar, then used in Russia).. . . .”
Information on their website on events to mark the occasion, including in Dublin this Saturday (the 11th November) a talk by veteran activist Eddie Glackin, with music later in the evening. In James Connolly House (43 East Essex Street, Templebar).
 

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No I do not - irrespective of whether the Soviet government made a deal with the Germans - a combination of the White Movement and the Imperialist powers were always going to mount a counter-revolution and attempt to overthrow the workers state. The very existence of a workers state in Russia was a major threat to the ruling elites in every capitalist country (including Ireland).
The Soviets scared off so many people from supporting them

- that they created more enemies than they ever gained as friends...
 

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The first post should be edited. it was not the Tsar who was deposed in October - that happened in February. It was the Provisional Government that was deposed in October.
 

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(Seeing as Catalpast is going on a run of 'today in history' - this one deserves a mention)

Today 100 years ago was one of the most momentous events in history - the Russian Revolution.

A mass movement by the working class and the peasantry in Russia overthrew the Tsarist regime and created the first workers state. In response the monarchists in Russia and the imperialist powers of the West launched a counter-revolutionary invasion to overthrow the workers state, leading to the bloodiest civil war in human history.

An important retrospective look at the Russian Revolution and its legacy today from the Socialist Party - The Living Legacy of the October Revolution

The Living Legacy of the October Revolution
This is worth a look as well: From Lenin to Limerick and Beyond. A hundred years ago today: The Russian Revolution and its effects in Ireland. http://******/2ycjeZ7
 

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There is no doubt the revolution was justified and represented a moment of hope for the world. We can't shy away from the catastrophes that followed which have undermined the credibility of the left in the eyes of workers ever since. The Trotskyist parties can claim to have stood up against the abuses of power in the USSR and elsewhere but they haven't really come up with an alternative to the very flawed model of Democratic Centralism which was the cause of the abuses. The left needs to repudiate Lenin, not just Stalin.
Nonsense. Trotsky's ambition was, if anything, even more murderous and insane than that of Stalin.

The Bolsheviks sided with Stalin over Trotsky, because they could see clearly that Trotsky was a crank.

The manner in which Trotsky put down the Kronstadt Sailors revolt (when the sailors were rebelling against the centralization of power) is an indictment of Trotsky. In the end he wanted to wipe out the revolutionaries for the sake of the revolution.
 

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The first post should be edited. it was not the Tsar who was deposed in October - that happened in February. It was the Provisional Government that was deposed in October.
The revolutionary process began in February and was completed in November - the two revolutions were not seperate and distinct events, they were part of the same process - a process of removing the Tsarist regime that could only be completed by the establishment of the workers state. Without the October Revolution reaction would inevitably overthrown the revolutionary process and the Provisional Govenrment - likely in the form of a coup as attempted by Kornilov.
 

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Nonsense. Trotsky's ambition was, if anything, even more murderous and insane than that of Stalin.

The Bolsheviks sided with Stalin over Trotsky, because they could see clearly that Trotsky was a crank.

The manner in which Trotsky put down the Kronstadt Sailors revolt (when the sailors were rebelling against the centralization of power) is an indictment of Trotsky. In the end he wanted to wipe out the revolutionaries for the sake of the revolution.
They sided with Stalin because the Politburo suppressed Lenin's will, in which he warned against choosing Stalin. Also Trotsky's "Permanent Revolution worldwide" stance was opposed to Stalin's "Socialism in One Country" policy.
 

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They sided with Stalin because the Politburo suppressed Lenin's will, in which he warned against choosing Stalin. Also Trotsky's "Permanent Revolution worldwide" stance was opposed to Stalin's "Socialism in One Country" policy.
Yet Stalin held the Soviet Union together through thick and thin...

He was a natural political genius

- but an utterly ruthless one....
 

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Nonsense. Trotsky's ambition was, if anything, even more murderous and insane than that of Stalin.

The Bolsheviks sided with Stalin over Trotsky, because they could see clearly that Trotsky was a crank.
Someone has been drinking the kool aid

The manner in which Trotsky put down the Kronstadt Sailors revolt (when the sailors were rebelling against the centralization of power) is an indictment of Trotsky. In the end he wanted to wipe out the revolutionaries for the sake of the revolution.
The second Kronstadt uprising was not a revolt by revolutionary sailors who had supported the Bolshevik Revolution - it was a counter-revolutionary uprising organised by White insurgents.

Furthermore, the counter-revolutionary forces in Kronstadt were overthrown by an uprising of the Kronstadt workers before the Red Army entered the city. While Trotsky ordered the attack on Kronstadt, he did not order the execution of the counter-revolutionaries - they were carried out by local commanders. Trotsky accepted political responsibility for the executions despite the fact that he wasn't responsible.
 

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Yet Stalin held the Soviet Union together through thick and thin...

He was a natural political genius

- but an utterly ruthless one....
Stalin was a thoroughly evil swine responsible for the deaths of millions in his own and other countries where he spread his atheistic poison.
He took his lead from an ever bigger pig called Lenin.

Bad bad bastards, the lot of them should have been strangled at birth.
 

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Yet Stalin held the Soviet Union together through thick and thin...

He was a natural political genius

- but an utterly ruthless one....
Stalin was a reactionary scumbag who brutalised the Russian masses and ruthlessly tortured and killed political opponents.
 

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Stalin was a reactionary scumbag who brutalised the Russian masses and ruthlessly tortured and killed political opponents.
He was a true follower of Marxist-Leninism!

As for Mr Lenin in his April Thesis as quoted in your article it states the following:

That the instruments of state repression, such as the police and army, as well as the state bureaucracy, had to be done away with.

Good One that!:D
     
 

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They sided with Stalin because the Politburo suppressed Lenin's will, in which he warned against choosing Stalin.
By the time of Lenin's death, Stalin had succeeded in installing many of his henchmen in the Soviet bureaucracy - and it was this bureaucracy that suppressed Lenin Last Testimony that called for the removal of Stalin. Stalin then systematically removed the entire leadership of the Bolshevik Party from1917 - torturing and killing those who led the Russian Revolution (in the grounds that they were counter-revolutionaries and fascists). This image demonstrates who was killed by Stalin and when -

 

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He was a true follower of Marxist-Leninism!   
Stalin was a Menshevik - every political position he put forward and every political measure he introduced, was in direct contradiction to the principles of Marxism and Leninism
 

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Stalin was a Menshevik - every political position he put forward and every political measure he introduced, was in direct contradiction to the principles of Marxism and Leninism
But it always ended up the same everywhere they took power isn't that the point you may say it wasn't real communism but that was the reality of countries which referred to themselves as communist.
 

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By the time of Lenin's death, Stalin had succeeded in installing many of his henchmen in the Soviet bureaucracy - and it was this bureaucracy that suppressed Lenin Last Testimony that called for the removal of Stalin. Stalin then systematically removed the entire leadership of the Bolshevik Party from1917 - torturing and killing those who led the Russian Revolution (in the grounds that they were counter-revolutionaries and fascists). This image demonstrates who was killed by Stalin and when -

There are also allegations Stalin had an official called Kirov murdered while blaming it on counter-revolutionaries.
 

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Not true - the Stalinist Regime was a brutal dictatorship - the victims of this dictatorship included most of the leaders of the October Revolution and thousands of members of the Left Opposition who opposed the rise of Stalin. The 'Bolshevik period' lasted about 8-10 years and was a period (outside of the civil war) of relatively mild repression given the nature of the counter revolutionary forces ranged against the Council of Soviets.
The period of relatively mild repression (it was still a Police State) lasted only about six years, 1922 to 1928.
 


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