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7% pay cut on the cards for public servants if Croke Part 2 is rejected - Howlin


BrightDay

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The alternative to CPII is a 7% flat rate pay cut across the board according to Brendan Howlin in today's Independent.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/public-sector-warned-of-7pc-pay-cut-if-croke-park-deal-rejected-29175544.html

It is strange that Howlin is taking this stance now considering that his leader Eamon Gilmore was of the view, based on an article in the Independent on 25th February 2013 that:

"I have always believed, both in respect of this agreement and its predecessor, that it's best if political parties stand back from that process and give to people who work in our public services the respect and the space that they need in order to make a decision on the outcome of these discussions,"
Gilmore appeals to opposition to stay silent on new public sector deal - Independent.ie
 
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mocame

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Still be Europes highest paid and least efficient even with a 7% cut , maybe they should try 70%
What do you do for a living Freddie? Let us know won't you so we can peddle some baseless myths about your line of work and make calls that your pay should be cut by what ever random figure feels good that particular day.
 

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Good, let him go and do it. Personally I would be happier not to give these f uckers the comfort of the air cover they would get from throwing it back in our faces on the doorsteps saying CP2 was accepted by the unions......like it was nothing to do with the Government.

When they do legislate for pay cuts across the boards, what happens to the sweetheart deals negotiated with some sections of the PS who stayed in the talks. It's going to piss so many people off, those who stayed in the talks, those who left, those under €65k etc. Let the Government deal with the mess....they created it.

I am left wondering what will happen to all of the other aspects of CP2, extended working hours, loss of flexi leave and cuts in the number of annual leave days? How will the Government achieve these....can they or will they legislate for these?

Don't get me wrong, I am acutely aware that this banana republic is totally f ucking screwed and we are looking into a decade of misery re austerity. My wife and I are both down a considerable amount of money with the pension levy etc. We are living from pay cheque to pay cheque as it is. We will just have to suck it up and find the money to pay the Household Charge and forthcoming water charges at a time when my pay will be cut further under CP2. My wife and I know we are the fortunate that we still have our jobs. But hey, we are at rock bottom, our morale is on the floor. The Govt will get their payroll savings whether we vote for it or not, so let them do it.
 

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Good, let him go and do it. Personally I would be happier not to give these f uckers the comfort of the air cover they would get from throwing it back in our faces on the doorsteps saying CP2 was accepted by the unions......like it was nothing to do with the Government.

When they do legislate for pay cuts across the boards, what happens to the sweetheart deals negotiated with some sections of the PS who stayed in the talks. It's going to piss so many people off, those who stayed in the talks, those who left, those under €65k etc. Let the Government deal with the mess....they created it.

I am left wondering what will happen to all of the other aspects of CP2, extended working hours, loss of flexi leave and cuts in the number of annual leave days? How will the Government achieve these....can they or will they legislate for these?

Don't get me wrong, I am acutely aware the this banana republic is totally f ucking screwed and we are looking into a decade of misery re austerity. My wife and I are both down a considerable amount of money with the pension levy etc. We are living from pay cheque to pay cheque as it is. We will just have to suck it up and find the money to pay the Household Charge and forthcoming water charges at a time when my pay will be cut further under CP2. My wife and I know we are the fortunate that we still have our jobs. But hey, we are at rock bottom, our morale is on the floor. The Govt will get their payroll savings whether we vote for it or not, so let them do it.
"Decade of misery and austerity"?? We are already 6 years in and things continue to get worse. Try 25 years on for size.
 

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This is no time for sentiment, we passed that when we hit €200bn national debt and looks like a big bank recap is on the way as well. It's bottom line time. Bottom line is that the PS still enjoy 17% pay premium, source ESRI, after adjusting for older ages and education. End of story. If they don't support CP II, legislate and face the long outstanding confrontation that is needed to clip back PS trade union power to something closer to normal.

For over nearly two decades, Ireland has been benighted by a shadow Government where a labour pricing fixing organisation representing less than one in six workers engaged, in the latter stages, in self enrichment to the point that when the burst came the pay premium was closer to 30%. There will never be another opportunity to force a confrontation while under the grip of creditors.

The alternative, promulgated by Jack O Connor et al is that we should pay more taxes -so that his chums can enjoy the privilieges he negotiated for them over the years and of course maintain the lavish remuneration of union chiefs benchmarked to highest pay levels in the PS.
 

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What do you do for a living Freddie? Let us know won't you so we can peddle some baseless myths about your line of work and make calls that your pay should be cut by what ever random figure feels good that particular day.
I'm assuming its a job for an employer who has enough money to pay him because they didn't enter into a vote buying industrial relations exercise. That same employer is happy enough to continue to pay their wages out of their own revenues because they value their employee through constant performance evaluation.
So start with myths for that type of employee.
 

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What about Quinn's "money will be found by cuts to frontline services" statement the other day? Labour are all over the place on this. Pitiful to see "Socialists" threatening workers.
 

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For heavens sake the employer and the employees are the same. There's no gravy left on the train, that drained away when the national debt went from €47bn to €200bn. This isn't about a glorious old style struggle between the shady capitalist and the set upon worker with no rights. It isn't 1913.

There's a reason 70% of the workforce isn't unionised. This is struggle within the privileged class, not one of whom on a permanent contract lost their jobs during a calamitous economic depression. This is purely about protecting privileges.
 

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For heavens sake the employer and the employees are the same. There's no gravy left on the train, that drained away when the national debt went from €47bn to €200bn. This isn't about a glorious old style struggle between the shady capitalist and the set upon worker with no rights. It isn't 1913.

There's a reason 70% of the workforce isn't unionised. This is struggle within the privileged class, not one of whom on a permanent contract lost their jobs during a calamitous economic depression. This is purely about protecting privileges.
ffs
those on €38k pay tax at the high level
you know fúck all , troll or airhead
 

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I'd much rather take a 7% pay cut than sign up to CP2. I'd rather take a purely financial hit and keep the work life balance I have, than take a financial hit and work the changes involved in CP2.
 

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Good, let him go and do it. Personally I would be happier not to give these f uckers the comfort of the air cover they would get from throwing it back in our faces on the doorsteps saying CP2 was accepted by the unions......like it was nothing to do with the Government.

When they do legislate for pay cuts across the boards, what happens to the sweetheart deals negotiated with some sections of the PS who stayed in the talks. It's going to piss so many people off, those who stayed in the talks, those who left, those under €65k etc. Let the Government deal with the mess....they created it.

I am left wondering what will happen to all of the other aspects of CP2, extended working hours, loss of flexi leave and cuts in the number of annual leave days? How will the Government achieve these....can they or will they legislate for these?

Don't get me wrong, I am acutely aware that this banana republic is totally f ucking screwed and we are looking into a decade of misery re austerity. My wife and I are both down a considerable amount of money with the pension levy etc. We are living from pay cheque to pay cheque as it is. We will just have to suck it up and find the money to pay the Household Charge and forthcoming water charges at a time when my pay will be cut further under CP2. My wife and I know we are the fortunate that we still have our jobs. But hey, we are at rock bottom, our morale is on the floor. The Govt will get their payroll savings whether we vote for it or not, so let them do it.

Very true, Let Howlin, Quinn and Gilmore do their own dirty work, They are now resorting to threats when it is becoming
obvious that Jack O Connor is not as powerful as he used to be, Howlin would love to be able to say, Look how good we are, We got union agreement.
 

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I'd much rather take a 7% pay cut than sign up to CP2. I'd rather take a purely financial hit and keep the work life balance I have, than take a financial hit and work the changes involved in CP2.
+1

Also, the paycut will mean the abandonment of the extra work I took on under CPA1. This was a very significant increase in my weekly workload. The trolls won't believe that, of course, but so be it. For me, abandoning CPA1 amounts to an indirect pay increase..... :)
 

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+1

Also, the paycut will mean the abandonment of the extra work I took on under CPA1. This was a very significant increase in my weekly workload. The trolls won't believe that, of course, but so be it. For me, abandoning CPA1 amounts to an indirect pay increase..... :)
Me too.
 

Johnny

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Very true, Let Howlin, Quinn and Gilmore do their own dirty work, They are now resorting to threats when it is becoming
obvious that Jack O Connor is not as powerful as he used to be, Howlin would love to be able to say, Look how good we are, We got union agreement.
+1

Labour are scared $hitless by all this. They are being squeezed between collapsing electoral support on one side, and ****-of-the-hoop, howling Blueshirts on the other. Beautiful to watch.

Unions must not do the Stickies' dirty work for them.

REJECT CPAII.
 

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