7M Overspend on Empty Hospital

Betson

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Classic joined up thinking here by the HSE, they have overspent 7M Euro refurbishing a hospital in Cashel with no patients and seemingly no intention to take on any patients. While just up the road in Clonmel the main General hospital suffers from chronic overcrowding and a severe lack of resources.

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It operates as a day hospital according to that link. :roll:
 

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What services and facilities operate out of it?

Surely a reporter has asked for that much information? If it's a day unit it could be quite useful.

To take inpatients would require a lot more services to be present, like 24 hour nurses, doctors, labs etc.
 

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Sounds crazy, it will be interesting to see what excuses they give PAC.
 

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Sounds crazy, it will be interesting to see what excuses they give PAC.

Don't worry.
When PAC gets their teeth into this disgrace there will be a lot of people losing their jobs!
Or not.
Yea, probably not.
Maybe definitely not.
Look, they'll just make sure it doesn't happen again.
Until it does.
 

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What services and facilities operate out of it?

Surely a reporter has asked for that much information? If it's a day unit it could be quite useful.

To take inpatients would require a lot more services to be present, like 24 hour nurses, doctors, labs etc.
The reports are saying that there are no patients in the facility....strange. It was a seven million overspend....so what was the original price quoted and what was the final amount of the spend?
 

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The reports are saying that there are no patients in the facility....strange. It was a seven million overspend....so what was the original price quoted and what was the final amount of the spend?
The link in the OP says it operates as a day unit. I'm just wondering if other day services operate out of it, are scheduled to ... an answer to those questions would be interesting.
 

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It'll be multiples of seven million for the new national children's hospital at this rate!
 

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Don't worry.
When PAC gets their teeth into this disgrace there will be a lot of people losing their jobs!
Or not.
Yea, probably not.
Maybe definitely not.
Look, they'll just make sure it doesn't happen again.
Until it does.
Odd to hear Alan Kelly row in behind Matty McGrath on this...seeing as it would have all been approved while he was in government.
 

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The link in the OP says it operates as a day unit. I'm just wondering if other day services operate out of it, are scheduled to ... an answer to those questions would be interesting.
What I don't get is that if you tender for a job, why is that not the price that you agree to deliver the project at to the specs agreed. It seems to be an open ended chequebook with no fallout on the developer if they fail to deliver the project on time.
 

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What I don't get is that if you tender for a job, why is that not the price that you agree to deliver the project at to the specs agreed. It seems to be an open ended chequebook with no fallout on the developer if they fail to deliver the project on time.
Depends on terms of the contract, if the scope increased, the contractor needed to be paid, developers not involved.
 

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I have a life.
The reports are saying that there are no patients in the facility....strange. It was a seven million overspend....so what was the original price quoted and what was the final amount of the spend?
What's a 'quote' when you have a bottomless pit of money.
 

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Sounds crazy, it will be interesting to see what excuses they give PAC.
PAC is looking more and more irrelevant and like a pointless exercise imo.

If there's no punitive consequences nothing will change... and we've seen over decades now that 'establishment' Ireland excels at charades (from the tribunals to PAC to copious reports) that are deliberately designed to be toothless and which have no powers to impose any punitive consequences.
 

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What I don't get is that if you tender for a job, why is that not the price that you agree to deliver the project at to the specs agreed. It seems to be an open ended chequebook with no fallout on the developer if they fail to deliver the project on time.
It could be that they found major structural problems during the refurb. Or some asbestos - which costs a bloody fortune to remove. Or the job spec may have been incomplete. There are myriad valid reasons why many refurbishment projects end up costing more than the estimate - anyone watching "Room to Improve" will know that!

Of course the problem with cute hoors like Mattie and Kelly is that they know all too well that regardless of the facts as soon as they launch a "more HSE incompetence/waste of public funds" headline into the ether, they'll get all the headlines and the free publicity and, no matter what the facts of the case may be, the HSE will be playing catch up - and losing!
 

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It'll be multiples of seven million for the new national children's hospital at this rate!
Undoubtedly. The genuine shock would be if a project of that magnitude and complexity came in at or below budget!
 

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It operates as a day hospital according to that link. :roll:
If it doesn't stay open 24/7, it's not a hospital, it's a clinic.
 

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Depends on terms of the contract, if the scope increased, the contractor needed to be paid, developers not involved.
What's a 'quote' when you have a bottomless pit of money.
None of these projects appear to be delivered at the original price quoted - and it cannot be coincidence that the scope increases on each and every one of them. If you're getting any sort of work done - the contractor carries out a survey of the work that is needed and prices up the job for the tender. That price should be the cost at which both parties agree the project should be delivered at. Like, you're hardly going to get building work done and not know what the final price is going to be - unless of course you're dealing with complete and utter tools. Heads should roll....and more than one!
 


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