800 quangos cost taxpayer €13 billion - Indo

Xipe Totec

Active member
Joined
Nov 12, 2005
Messages
122
Are you really a member of Irish Liberty Forum? Sound like a Socialist to me. Oh and thanks for the "handicapped"-jibe btw. As an Asperger's sufferer I really appreciate it. :roll:
so we should all get on the politically-correct treadmill

imbecile --> retard --> mentally-handicapped --> mentally-challenged --> ??

just to avoid offending a minority group?


and establish a body tasked with overseeing it, eh princess? :roll:


now who's the socialist, hmmmm????????????
 


FutureTaoiseach

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2005
Messages
7,980
Website
greatdearleader.blogspot.com
Thats all well and good, but it doesnt belie that fact that they never managed to garner enough voter preference to suggest a large swathe of Irish people are eagerly awaiting their return. You are also rewritting history here, the PDs did get a lot of their agenda into Government and certainly punched above their weight in tems of mandate.

I have no problem with a new right wing party forming and contesting elections, I just dont believe they'll have any impact, and you can blame the PDs for that.

And again, quangocracy does not equate to socialism no matter how many times you say it does.
The 5.4% national-vote for Libertas proves the appetite for a new centre-right, eurocritical party remains. Rightwing (and leftwing) parties are the norm in European-politics anyway.
 

hiding behind a poster

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2005
Messages
48,981
One thing people need to remember is that abolishing a quango doesn't mean that that quango's entire budget is immediately saved - because in many instances, quangos act as distributors of government grants or spending to a particular sector, and those grants are included in the quango's budget. So while in those cases they still represent additional bureaucracy, the fact remains that if, for example, Bord Failte was abolished, the Government would still be spending money on grants to support the tourism sector, so you couldn't say that by abolishing the quango you've saved its entire budget.

So the figures for potential savings are inevitably wildly exaggerated.
 

hiding behind a poster

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2005
Messages
48,981
The 5.4% national-vote for Libertas proves the appetite for a new centre-right, eurocritical party remains.
No it doesn't. Most of the 5.4% was a personal vote for one very well-known individual, who used his wealth to get noticed. Outside of his vote, Libertas were down at just a couple of per cent everywhere else, and even that was only thanks to that individual's national spending. They had no grassroots support.
 

Kevin Doyle

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2007
Messages
11,017
I think the PD's at their foundation were defined as much by the O'Malley / Haughey split as they were by their policies. There founder had a very much like him or hate him personality and this did not aid them, also there were many who viewed them as O'Malley's way of getting back at Haughey over the leadership battle.
And whats to prevent the same thing happening again?

Any new party would have all those difficulties to overcome as well. The only way in my view to counter this is if the new party was comprised entirely by candidates who where never involved in politics before, thats as stern a challenge as any in Irish politics and unfortunately an insurmountable one.
 

NFD100

Active member
Joined
Jun 14, 2010
Messages
231
Cull the quangos - everything to go back to government departments. Scrap the Seanad, clear out the Dail to 100 TDS for single seat consituencies. Slash the politician's pensions. That'll save an absolute fortune!!

Forgot the parish pump councils. Abolish half of them as well. Stop them lining their pockets!
 

Xipe Totec

Active member
Joined
Nov 12, 2005
Messages
122
cost of making a quango to protect FTs stupidity: E600,000

pleasure felt whilst breaking the taboos established by that quango: priceless


FT i am getting at least E1bn of marginal utility by calling you a colossal cretin right now; i hope you are factoring that into your calculations
 

Kevin Doyle

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2007
Messages
11,017
One thing people need to remember is that abolishing a quango doesn't mean that that quango's entire budget is immediately saved - because in many instances, quangos act as distributors of government grants or spending to a particular sector, and those grants are included in the quango's budget. So while in those cases they still represent additional bureaucracy, the fact remains that if, for example, Bord Failte was abolished, the Government would still be spending money on grants to support the tourism sector, so you couldn't say that by abolishing the quango you've saved its entire budget.

So the figures for potential savings are inevitably wildly exaggerated.
Agreed that the savings wouldnt be within a whisper of whats being reported but I still think that quangos should be culled, there are numermous case of replicated functions and I'm utterly at odds with them being used as employment gifts to patrons of the Government.
 

hiding behind a poster

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2005
Messages
48,981
Agreed that the savings wouldnt be within a whisper of whats being reported but I still think that quangos should be culled, there are numermous case of replicated functions and I'm utterly at odds with them being used as employment gifts to patrons of the Government.
Agree 100%.
 

Tea Party Patriot

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 31, 2010
Messages
11,468
And whats to prevent the same thing happening again?

Any new party would have all those difficulties to overcome as well. The only way in my view to counter this is if the new party was comprised entirely by candidates who where never involved in politics before, thats as stern a challenge as any in Irish politics and unfortunately an insurmountable one.
I can agree with you in that building a party from the ground up is nearly impossible, baring a large ideological split in FF or FG on economic grounds it would take between 10 and 15 years to build a party up from scratch and even then it would need some serious financial backers. The media cost of running a national campaign would be at least in the region of €500K even for a smaller party.

Actually building a party from the ground up is about the only thing I admire the Greens for, it must have been an arduous task; albeit they were part of a national movement.

All that said and done I do know a lot of like minded people in FF and FG who would jump ship to an economically right-wing party if they got leadership in the form of existing TDs or perhaps if someone like Michael O'Leary decided to start one.
 

FutureTaoiseach

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2005
Messages
7,980
Website
greatdearleader.blogspot.com
Hope Libertas are still registered so they can appear on the ballot if Ganley and co. give it another try at the GE. I know they were saying they would disband but have they actually been removed from the register yet? 5.4% was a very solid performance (Euro elections) for a first-timer in Irish politics.
 

Red_93

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2010
Messages
4,572
Are you really a member of Irish Liberty Forum? Sound like a Socialist to me. Oh and thanks for the "handicapped"-jibe btw. As an Asperger's sufferer I really appreciate it. :roll:
FT, would you say it is un PC to call someone handicapped?
 

FutureTaoiseach

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2005
Messages
7,980
Website
greatdearleader.blogspot.com
FT, would you say it is un PC to call someone handicapped?
It's wrong to bring it up in a personal-attack. I have a fairly libertarian attitude to free speech but part of free speech is my right to criticise what another says. I'm not in a wheelchair but the "handicapped" jibe sounded to me like a reference to my Asperger-Syndrome.
 

Clanrickard

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 25, 2008
Messages
33,586
Many of the positive policies that came into the economy such as high tax cuts both direct and indirect were largely PD and not FF policy. On the other hand the FF policies that got implemented are the ones the economy is suffering from today, and we will get more of the same from the current alternative.
Correct. Had the PDs stuck to classical liberal economics would not be in the mess we are today.
 

FutureTaoiseach

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2005
Messages
7,980
Website
greatdearleader.blogspot.com
You are one of the D4 big governemnt tax and spend left liberal PC elites!
No I'm not! I am part of the Small Government, low tax, balanced-budget, freedom-loving, working-people.
 


New Threads

Most Replies

Top