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nonpartyboy

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Not the ************************************ quangos again, ff will never touch the quangos , we've been over this time and time, much better to let the country go bankrupt.
 

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QANGOS are not socialism! Social welfare, or decent public services, or hospitals that actually function would be socialism.

What QANGOS are is a corrupt peerage system to keep the cronies on-side and on-message and line the pockets of hangers-on of Fianna Fail in particular.

We don't know which part of Dublin. Doubtful it was Dublin 4 though (for obvious reasons ;) ).
Incidentally, Dublin 4 is not, by a long shot, one of the most pretentious parts of Dublin. Ballsbridge and a bit of Doneybrook sits in Dublin 4, but the majority of Dublin 4 is the far end of Pearse Street, Irishtown, Ringsend, Beggersbush, the Docks, etc.

If you want to slag off an area for being pretentious perhaps Dublin 6 and 6W and Foxrock are the areas with district numbers. However, most of the snootiest parts of Dublin don't have district codes, they're in South County Dublin.
 

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some of the functions of the quangos may be unnecessary/overlapping and these need to be rationalised but people thinking that pulling the functions back into the government will somehow lead to smaller government and costs savings are fooling themselves.

what's happening in the UK is that many of the functions of the culled quangos has been pulled back into the government so now there is tighter control by westminster and less perceived independence and any of the quangos that didn't fall directly under the Tory political agenda were severely weakened or scrapped.
 

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QANGOS are not socialism! Social welfare, or decent public services, or hospitals that actually function would be socialism.

What QANGOS are is a corrupt peerage system to keep the cronies on-side and on-message and line the pockets of hangers-on of Fianna Fail in particular.
They may not be socialism but socialists are very protective of them. We are getting very close to having to face reality. The govt. collects 30 and spend 50. If we need the bailout fund, the main function of the govt. will be who to protect - those in need or those with power and influence.
 

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They may not be socialism but socialists are very protective of them. We are getting very close to having to face reality. The govt. collects 30 and spend 50. If we need the bailout fund, the main function of the govt. will be who to protect - those in need or those with power and influence.
Those people aren't actual socialists, they're cronies and people with their noses in the through dressed-up as socialists.

They're about as much socialists as Fianna Fail is "republican".
 

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However, most of the snootiest parts of Dublin don't have district codes, they're in South County Dublin.
Where they speak with the Dort accent. Historically, D4 got its reputation when Garrett FitzGerald represented DSE - it was a put down by Charlie Haughey and his alcaholic sidekick in the IT at the time. We should try for a little originality.
 

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Where they speak with the Dort accent. Historically, D4 got its reputation when Garrett FitzGerald represented DSE - it was a put down by Charlie Haughey and his alcaholic sidekick in the IT at the time. We should try for a little originality.
but some people here define themselves by their hackneyed clichés.

you're obviously just a D4 eltite. :roll::roll::roll:
 

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They may not be socialism but socialists are very protective of them.
Which socialists? I don't know any.

If we need the bailout fund, the main function of the govt. will be who to protect - those in need or those with power and influence.
It's an awful pity then that the government (with FG and LP) are protecting the bankers, developers, spivs and speculators and screwing working class people.
 

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In another example of how the crisis in the public-finances is caused by Socialism - not rightwing economics - the government now presides over 800 quangos which collectively cost the taxpayer €13 billion per annum.And they are still creating new quangos even now:Gormless is getting in on the action too:What this underlines is that:

- Those on this forum who claim we have a "rightwing government" are wrong. We in fact (at least since 2004) are living under a Socialist-government that has relentlessly pushed the growth of Government.

- The urgent need for a new rightwing-party that will defend and implement the Small Government that our public-finances, fiscal-sovereignty, businesses and taxpayer's (and ultimately public-services strangled by bureaucracy and slow decision-making) desperately need. They should defend the principles that the PDs jettisoned since introducing Socialist measures like 'Risk-Equalisation' which forced the VHI's competitors to subsidise them - thereby distorting the market.

- The need for an immediate moratorium on quangos - including 'review-groups', task-forces - or whatever they want to call them.

- All public-appointments to state-boards to be publicly-advertised and confirmed/blocked by a more powerful Seanad, which in turn would be directly elected. This reduces the incentive to proliferate quangos as it would be harder to stuff them with party hacks if the lack of expertise of nominees were subjected to greater public-scrutiny. To that end, one-third of the Seanad should be elected every two years. A two-thirds majority should be required for confirmation.
+1. Thanks for highlighting this, FT. There clearly needs to be root and branch reform of this patronage system.
 

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''One thing people need to remember is that abolishing a quango doesn't mean that that quango's entire budget is immediately saved''..But severing a contract at the end date,can save future budgets from these parasitic vampire quangos,whose only concern is their own survival to the detriment of millions.Look at FAS and JOBFIT sucking up what could be paid employment from the communities they enter,consigning those to a lifetime of poverty.
While smearing the good name of those who genuinely want work experience.
 

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As a matter of interest, if we are gearing up towards the Knowledge / Smart economy what are the majority of FAS courses geared towards?
 

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As a matter of interest, if we are gearing up towards the Knowledge / Smart economy what are the majority of FAS courses geared towards?
I did a FAS course and got a job after. I don't know if it's smart or knowledge based but it's a job.

mind you, after many good years it's looking like the boat for me.
 

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Boosting welfare in the 90's ..Not so sure what it's about now,apart from draining our economy of what could be paid jobs with free labour,the government get no monetary benefit from it,but they still continue to pour money in.I suppose they are about more schmoozing with government perhaps i hear there are a lot of FFers on the board of FAS.
The new outfit JOBFIT has FGers on it,so angela kearns has an extra job and you don't :D
 

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************************************************ most people do not get jobs out of FAS,its free labour what business is going to turn around and give you a job when they have your arse for free,not to mention FAS even employ ex - cons too,some people are unwittingly smearing their good name!
 

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screwing working class people.
Anyone who has a job can fend for themselves, there are those who are dependent on the various forms of social welfare but these are the people who are too busy trying to live to be available to protest - we need a govt who are willing to take unpopular decisions to ensure these people can survive.
 

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Baby with bathwater

In another example of how the crisis in the public-finances is caused by Socialism - not rightwing economics - the government now presides over 800 quangos which collectively cost the taxpayer €13 billion per annum.And they are still creating new quangos even now:Gormless is getting in on the action too:What this underlines is that:

- Those on this forum who claim we have a "rightwing government" are wrong. We in fact (at least since 2004) are living under a Socialist-government that has relentlessly pushed the growth of Government.

- The urgent need for a new rightwing-party that will defend and implement the Small Government that our public-finances, fiscal-sovereignty, businesses and taxpayer's (and ultimately public-services strangled by bureaucracy and slow decision-making) desperately need. They should defend the principles that the PDs jettisoned since introducing Socialist measures like 'Risk-Equalisation' which forced the VHI's competitors to subsidise them - thereby distorting the market.

- The need for an immediate moratorium on quangos - including 'review-groups', task-forces - or whatever they want to call them.

- All public-appointments to state-boards to be publicly-advertised and confirmed/blocked by a more powerful Seanad, which in turn would be directly elected. This reduces the incentive to proliferate quangos as it would be harder to stuff them with party hacks if the lack of expertise of nominees were subjected to greater public-scrutiny. To that end, one-third of the Seanad should be elected every two years. A two-thirds majority should be required for confirmation.
I agree with the thrust of the above arguments for a massive quango cull but we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater. A quango PROPERLY set up with proven capable people can operate with greater flexibility and speed than civil service departments which often seem ossified and unreformable. Let's have a quango to cull quangos,chaired by Ryanair!
 

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Every single last quango should be abolished immediately. They are not necessary, and we have no money anyway! The only way we can keep these useless government agencies alive is by increasing the tax burden on the already a$$-hammered private sector taxpayers! Let's be sensible here - the country has to CUT unnecessary expenditure. Any idiot with a semblance of a brain can understand that.
 


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