99% of public sector workers on strike in essential industries would obey a back to work order

patslatt

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Rising militancy fanned by public sector union leaders jealous of government pay concessions to Gardai is likely to result in strikes by public sector workers in essential industries like hospitals and schools. To preserve the Lansdowne road agreement, the government needs to respond carefully, without seeming to bully the strikers.

Basically,it should give them enough rope to hang themselves by letting the public suffer inconvenience from strikes, though not so much as to cause the public to blame the government, During the strikes, it should release and publicise full details of pay, the vast number of expense allowances and gold plated pensions for the upper half of pay scales.That should open the public's eyes to the huge pay premium of the public sector, about the highest in the EU. Finally, it should hold a theatrical Dail debate on a back to work order that includes a penalty of summary dismissal for disobedience or the pretence of working to rule.

It would be a foolhardy public sector worker, especially those on the gold plated pension entitlements, who would defy such an order, but there are always a handful of diehard malcontents in emotional strike situations. Starting out at the bottom of the pay scale in an insecure private sector job would look like punishment compared to the well paid public sector job for life. THat would convince the 99% to return to work as ordered.
 


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What do you do in the private sector Patslatt?

It's just you seem available to post on here about anything to do with the public sector pretty much 24/7.

You must have very understanding employers.
 

patslatt

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What do you do in the private sector Patslatt?

It's just you seem available to post on here about anything to do with the public sector pretty much 24/7.

You must have very understanding employers.
Idle semi rich, not an employee.
 

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Rising militancy fanned by public sector union leaders
Fair play to them in the public sector. Hopefully, they will be an inspiration to those that are being terribly exploited in the private sector. We need more trade unions and strikes. Not less.
 

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Rising militancy fanned by public sector union leaders jealous of government pay concessions to Gardai is likely to result in strikes by public sector workers in essential industries like hospitals and schools. To preserve the Lansdowne road agreement, the government needs to respond carefully, without seeming to bully the strikers.

Basically,it should give them enough rope to hang themselves by letting the public suffer inconvenience from strikes, though not so much as to cause the public to blame the government, During the strikes, it should release and publicise full details of pay, the vast number of expense allowances and gold plated pensions for the upper half of pay scales.That should open the public's eyes to the huge pay premium of the public sector, about the highest in the EU. Finally, it should hold a theatrical Dail debate on a back to work order that includes a penalty of summary dismissal for disobedience or the pretence of working to rule.

It would be a foolhardy public sector worker, especially those on the gold plated pension entitlements, who would defy such an order, but there are always a handful of diehard malcontents in emotional strike situations. Starting out at the bottom of the pay scale in an insecure private sector job would look like punishment compared to the well paid public sector job for life. THat would convince the 99% to return to work as ordered.
Pat, you need to understand that you are obsessive to a harmful degree. It's not healthy to be as obsessed as you are about your grievances with the PS. You will honestly be a mucha happier person when you address the obsession. Your mental anguish will be greatly reduced.

Get help.
 

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Fair play to them in the public sector. Hopefully, they will be an inspiration to those that are being terribly exploited in the private sector. We need more trade unions and strikes. Not less.
The difference is that if costs in public services become unsustainable, taxes rise, in the private sector, the business closes.
 

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Rising militancy fanned by public sector union leaders jealous of government pay concessions to Gardai is likely to result in strikes by public sector workers in essential industries like hospitals and schools. To preserve the Lansdowne road agreement, the government needs to respond carefully, without seeming to bully the strikers.

Basically,it should give them enough rope to hang themselves by letting the public suffer inconvenience from strikes, though not so much as to cause the public to blame the government, During the strikes, it should release and publicise full details of pay, the vast number of expense allowances and gold plated pensions for the upper half of pay scales.That should open the public's eyes to the huge pay premium of the public sector, about the highest in the EU. Finally, it should hold a theatrical Dail debate on a back to work order that includes a penalty of summary dismissal for disobedience or the pretence of working to rule.

It would be a foolhardy public sector worker, especially those on the gold plated pension entitlements, who would defy such an order, but there are always a handful of diehard malcontents in emotional strike situations. Starting out at the bottom of the pay scale in an insecure private sector job would look like punishment compared to the well paid public sector job for life. THat would convince the 99% to return to work as ordered.
Oi! You may find it a revelation but the support for public sector workers restoring their wages to a fair level after the years of loony right wing austerity has a high level of support from ordinary decent tax payers who work in the private sector.
 

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Rising militancy fanned by public sector union leaders jealous of government pay concessions to Gardai is likely to result in strikes by public sector workers in essential industries like hospitals and schools. To preserve the Lansdowne road agreement, the government needs to respond carefully, without seeming to bully the strikers.

Basically,it should give them enough rope to hang themselves by letting the public suffer inconvenience from strikes, though not so much as to cause the public to blame the government, During the strikes, it should release and publicise full details of pay, the vast number of expense allowances and gold plated pensions for the upper half of pay scales.That should open the public's eyes to the huge pay premium of the public sector, about the highest in the EU. Finally, it should hold a theatrical Dail debate on a back to work order that includes a penalty of summary dismissal for disobedience or the pretence of working to rule.

It would be a foolhardy public sector worker, especially those on the gold plated pension entitlements, who would defy such an order, but there are always a handful of diehard malcontents in emotional strike situations. Starting out at the bottom of the pay scale in an insecure private sector job would look like punishment compared to the well paid public sector job for life. THat would convince the 99% to return to work as ordered.
You really haven't a clue when it comes to the law, do you Pat? Any dismissal along the lines you're suggesting would be challenged and overturned by the courts, being completely illegal.
 

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The difference is that if costs in public services become unsustainable, taxes rise, in the private sector, the business closes.


Customers of private sector firms don't expect to provided with a service below cost...
 

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You really haven't a clue when it comes to the law, do you Pat? Any dismissal along the lines you're suggesting would be challenged and overturned by the courts, being completely illegal.
Let's have a referendum. We were told it was unconstitutional to cut PS judges pay, and had a referendum to fix that. Passed overwhelmingly.
 

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The difference is that if costs in public services become unsustainable, taxes rise, in the private sector, the business closes.
That's true it is more difficult in the private sector because the corporations have negotiated "free trade" agreements which allow them to move their operations to the cheapest locations and play one workforce off against another and drive everyone's standard of living down.

However, here is an example of a federation of unionised worker-owned cooperatives that employ 74,000 people in the Basque country in Spain. It works out very well for the workers and they are now working with the United Steelworkers in the United States. They operate a collective bargaining system with the “one worker, one vote”. They have activities in finance, industry, retail and R&D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
 

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Fair play to them in the public sector. Hopefully, they will be an inspiration to those that are being terribly exploited in the private sector. We need more trade unions and strikes. Not less.
Who do you think is doing the exploitation, the employer who pays the salary or the state who takes penal amounts in tax of the wurkers effort ?
 

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Who do you think is doing the exploitation, the employer who pays the salary or the state who takes penal amounts in tax of the wurkers effort ?
The corporations are exploiting the workers and the country as a whole. The problem is that our industrial policy has always centred around attracting FDI rather than developing indigenous industry to the same extent that most other European countries did. So we are highly dependent on them and have to give them what they want including low corporate taxes, low wages, grants and incentives, etc. That's why you have the likes of Apple paying as little as 2 percent tax. And that's why you have IBEC trying to drive down wages across the economy. Its a pity that we are at the forefront of the race to the bottom. Sooner or later our luck will run out when either a) the US clamps down on multinational tax avoidance or b) other countries such as the UK will lower their corporate tax rate to match ours.
 

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Pat, did you fail the civil service entry exam?
 

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Fair play to them in the public sector. Hopefully, they will be an inspiration to those that are being terribly exploited in the private sector. We need more trade unions and strikes. Not less.
a bit like they have been an inspiration since the foundation of the State??? They care not for the private sector worker, who for the most part are stuck on minimum wage. Unions have to interest in organising in the Private sector, simple as!
 

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a bit like they have been an inspiration since the foundation of the State??? They care not for the private sector worker, who for the most part are stuck on minimum wage. Unions have to interest in organising in the Private sector, simple as!
I believe about half of union members in Ireland are in the private sector. The reason the private sector is less unionised is because corporations are more hostile to unions for obvious reasons.
 


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