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A begging permit?


seabhcan

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My understanding of the law is that Irish and British citizens are allowed to beg in Ireland, but that EU citizens (excluding Romania and Bulgaria) must be able to support themselves (through savings or work) to be permitted to remain in Ireland, and Romanians and Bulgarians must have a work permit to remain here longer than 3 months.

It seems to me that there are suddenly large numbers of non-Irish or British beggers in Dublin (and probably in every city in Ireland). One advantage of being outside Schengen, we are always told, is control over our borders. So if these people are breaching the terms of their residency, why are they not deported?

We don't have ID cards in Ireland, so it might be difficult for the Gardai to determine who is permitted to beg and who is not. So how about we issue a begging permit to the Irish and UK citizens who are homeless or which to beg. Anyone without the permit would be arrested and, if their immigration status allows, deported.

I imagine the Irish and UK homeless would strongly support such a scheme.
 

just4ever

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How about issuing official biometric cards to the Irish homeless entitling them to claim social welfare so they don't have to beg in the 1st place.
 

Twin Towers

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All they have to do is hold a few manky copies of "Big Issue" in their hands and suddenly they're not begging. Its a farce.
 

Fir Bolg

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If people didn't give these beggars money in the first place, they would not be begging.
 

scratchnsniff

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How about issuing official biometric cards to the Irish homeless entitling them to claim social welfare so they don't have to beg in the 1st place.
Homeless people are fully entitled to benefits, they can use the hostels as an address, they can get help with a deposit (full deposit) and will be entitled to rent allowance, if addicts or suffering from mental health problems they can claim disability, they can get free travel, clothing and lots of other little things.
For a lot of people this is a lifestyle choice. for others it is a short term problem, for others a mental health issue. Their is as much help for them as any one else. In Ireland no one need be homeless for long, as far as i am concerned those people with real mental health problems are the only ones with a real reason for living chaotically, Those in hostels have everything and more than they need to get back into accommodation. A lot prefer to live in hstels and Holiday through their lives.
I know this comes across as harsh and judgemental but i don't give to beggars unless they are obviously ill. (mentally ill)
 
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seabhcan

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Homeless people are fully entitled to benefits, they can use the hostels as an address, they can get help with a deposit (full deposit) and will be entitled to rent allowance, if addicts or suffering from mental health problems they can claim disability, they can get free travel, clothing and lots of other little things.
For a lot of people this is a lifestyle choice. for others it is a short term problem, for others a mental health issue. Their is as much help for them as any one else. In Ireland no one need be homeless for long, as far as i am concerned those people with real mental health problems are the only ones with a real reason for living chaotically, Those in hostels have everything and more than they need to get back into accommodation. A lot prefer to live in hstels and Holiday through their lives.
I know this comes across as harsh and judgemental but i don't give to beggars unless they are obviously ill. (mentally ill)
To my knowledge, the vast majority are mentally ill. The number is something like 70-80%. Include drug adicts, and the number is very close to 100%
 

Telemachus

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There are Roma children begging on baggot street today as thousands of the suited and booted brigade wade past uncaring. I am unsure should i ring the garda station and get fobbed of by them or is there a better channel for me to report this obscene situation?
 
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