A colony once again

erigena

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A devout meditation on P. “Bertie” Ahern


As an individual Bertie was of course entitled to take any option ; as a prime minister, it is one of the reasons that under his leadership – or, better put, lack thereof – the country squandered all its moral resources, as well as political, artistic, and financial.

So Cowen will now appeal to a republican ethos that has been attenuated close to non-existence; call on a tech sector that does not exist any longer; and, finally, perhaps seek Keynesian solutions at a time when the tax take is near equal to personal borrowing. Only when the evictions start will they wake up.

Finally - did anyone else notice that on the Irish government-sponsored, "PS etc" the Scottish musician robert White claimed to have co-written Willie Clancy's "The South Wind?"
 


tonys

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Not an actual “accountant”, ……my God, he was “trade” rather than “professional”
No third level education, ……….unbelievable, how did he function at all.
North Dublin = Criminal ……….rest of Dublin and Country is crime free?

And finally Bertie was living in “sin”……..Well holy God.

Given that these are your concerns, if I were you, I’d stop worrying about Bertie and start some serious worrying about myself.
 

jjacollins

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The biggest shame was at the time of the GFA, where a group contacted Bertie and asked him to get the British to remove the Irish Harp from Britain's royal crest. It no longer having any reason for being there after 1949.

He wrote back stating that it wasn't a good time.

What better time was there when all were making gestures to each other of respect. We gave up our rights in Articles 2 & 3 and the British gave nothing.

I think the long awated recognition that the vast majority of Irish people want Ireland and it's symbols to be Irish owned and controlled is the least they can do.
 

spalpeen

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erigena said:
A devout meditation on P. “Bertie” Ahern
Very well put. ;)
"Truth alone wounds"
 

Rebel CNC

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tonys said:
Not an actual “accountant”, ……my God, he was “trade” rather than “professional”
No third level education, ……….unbelievable, how did he function at all.
North Dublin = Criminal ……….rest of Dublin and Country is crime free?

And finally Bertie was living in “sin”……..Well holy God.

Given that these are your concerns, if I were you, I’d stop worrying about Bertie and start some serious worrying about myself.
Indeed - perhaps next week Erigena might have a night out on the tiles on Saturday night, perhaps in North Dublin , and have a decent lie-in with hangover on Sunday morning. Much better for developing social and personal skills than posting long, dreary posts here after 8am mass!
 

cropbeye

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Hi ERIGENA

While I think you might be overstating it slightly there is a great grain of

truth in your submission.

If the politics of the late eighties to the present in Ireland were to be summed up by a

future historian in one sentence it would be this.

With its basic structures intact and a leadership reliant on specialist expert advisors
the Fianna Fail party continued to be very successfull electorally but in the final
analysis they came to implement policies that in their truest sense were the values
of Fine Gael.
 

florin

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jjacollins said:
The biggest shame was at the time of the GFA, where a group contacted Bertie and asked him to get the British to remove the Irish Harp from Britain's royal crest. It no longer having any reason for being there after 1949.

He wrote back stating that it wasn't a good time.

What better time was there when all were making gestures to each other of respect. We gave up our rights in Articles 2 & 3 and the British gave nothing.

I think the long awated recognition that the vast majority of Irish people want Ireland and it's symbols to be Irish owned and controlled is the least they can do.
I think you're forgetting that Elizabeth II is still the queen of Northern Ireland: should they perhaps replace it with a piece of a harp for accuracy?
 

Effin Effer!!!

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The Harp was always the English symbol for Ireland, all we did was remove the Crown. It was used on a green background during 1798 and thats where the confusion started. Hell our President's standard is the exact same as that on the Queens family coat of arms. Havn't we got an original bone in our bodies? :evil:
 

Jozer

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All that '40 shades of green' is bollox anyway.
 

Norfolk Enchants

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tonys said:
Not an actual “accountant”, ……my God, he was “trade” rather than “professional”
No third level education, ……….unbelievable, how did he function at all.
North Dublin = Criminal ……….rest of Dublin and Country is crime free?

And finally Bertie was living in “sin”……..Well holy God.

Given that these are your concerns, if I were you, I’d stop worrying about Bertie and start some serious worrying about myself.
Posters should not expect standards other than very low standards from Fianna Fail. Not surprising that this Muppet suggest that you should be worrying about yourself when you point to Fianna Failers lies and lack of standards. You probably should worry about yourself if you expect a high level of anything other than bad smell from Fianna Fail.
 

michael1965

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tonys said:
Not an actual “accountant”, ……my God, he was “trade” rather than “professional”
No third level education, ……….unbelievable, how did he function at all.
North Dublin = Criminal ……….rest of Dublin and Country is crime free?

And finally Bertie was living in “sin”……..Well holy God.

Given that these are your concerns, if I were you, I’d stop worrying about Bertie and start some serious worrying about myself.
Did he really write all that, because it seems to have been edited out if he did?

Self-righteous snob, if so ....
 

joel

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Effin Effer!!! said:
The Harp was always the English symbol for Ireland, all we did was remove the Crown. It was used on a green background during 1798 and thats where the confusion started. Hell our President's standard is the exact same as that on the Queens family coat of arms. Havn't we got an original bone in our bodies? :evil:

"The harp was always the English symbol for Ireland" - really, why was that?
 


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