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A Federal UK is proposed, good idea? What will transpire?

cyberianpan

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Cross party initiative
Brexit vote paves way for federal union to save UK, says all-party group | Politics | The Guardian
The governance of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should be reinvented within a new voluntary union in a bid to save the UK from disintegration, an independent all-party group of experts will argue this week.

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Their proposals say the existing union should be replaced with fully devolved government in each part of the UK, with each given full sovereignty over its own affairs. The Westminster parliament, the group says, should then be reduced to 146
This is significant, thoughts?

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We should join. Wow, a chance at redemption.
We should be a driving force at it's inception and not a jumper-in after a look and see period.

When all seems lost. Suddenly out of the blue a light appears at the end of the tunnel. This is exactly the type of inspirational strategic thinking the English are great at.
 
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The Feds move in thats what.

Ireland should now make its own bi-lateral treaty with the UK .
 

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We should join. Wow, a chance at redemption.
We should be a driving force at it's inceptions and not a jumper-in after a look and see period.

When all seems lost. Suddenly out of the blue a light appears at the end of the tunnel. This is exactly the type of inspirational strategic thinking the English are great at.
A chance to see how great we are.
 

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This confederation sounds like disintegration in the long run IMHO. It basically assumes that at the very least everyone can agree on foreign policy, but the EU vote shows this is clearly not the reality.

The sticking point would be Falsane and the nukes- the Scottish don't want it, and the leverage the English have is economic as we saw during the indyref.

Scotland however, will have gained new devolved powers de facto or de jure in relation to trade - Nicola is going to be visiting other countries looking for investment and the such formally or informally no matter what thanks to the precedent set by the her EU trip.

So we can expect the same kind of diversification from England we saw with Ireland, this will reduce any leverage London has in the long run. Any foreign investor might even promote trade and investment with this goal partially in mind.

Accordingly, like Ireland with the Treaty Ports, or Ukraine with Sevastopol, this question will come to a head eventually, and I doubt the UK will survive the row that results.
 
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This confederation sounds like de facto disintegration IMHO. It basically assumes that at the very least everyone can agree on foreign policy, but as Ireland with the conscription crisis shows, this is not always the reality.

The sticking point would be Falsane and the nukes- the Scottish don't want it, and the leverage the English have is economic as we saw during the indyref.

Scotland however, will have gained new devolved powers de facto or de jure in relation to trade - Nicola is going to be visiting other countries looking for investment and the such formally or informally no matter whatthanks to the precedent set by the her EU trip.

So we can expect the same kind of diversification from England we saw with Ireland, this will reduce any leverage London has in the long run. Any foreign investor might even promote trade and investment with this goal partially in mind.

Accordingly, like Ireland with the Treaty Ports, or Ukraine with Sevastopol, this question will come to a head eventually, and I doubt the UK will survive the row that results.
We talk, we solve. The principal seems sound. The minutia are only problems to be solved. We all have a common intertwined heritage, History and sense of fair play, which we are not getting from Europe.

We feel a lot closer than we currently act. Go the 'Clans'.
 

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The Society of the Elect are desperately searching for a solution. Cecil must be turning in his grave, the irony of the Conservatives providing the impetus for the possibility of the dissolution of the UK.
Not a dissolution of the UK. The rebirth of a nation. Who saw this coming?
 

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Yep! an islands 'federal' treaty. Just as the man said. Get away from the robot Germans, nobody's pal.
There's something seriously wrong wth the Irish nation's attitude to democracy and sovereignty.

It spends hundreds of years trying to end British rule. As soon as that is achieved, for part of the country, it allows the Roman Catholic Church to take effective control of huge swathes of public policy. Just as that foreign power's domination is waning, the citizens of the Republic decide, through successive referenda, to surrender sovereignty to the EU. Now that the EU is starting to crumble, the first item on some people's agenda is to seek to ensnare us in another foreign alliance to which, once again we would be subservient.

Seán Ó Faoláin was right about the post-colonial inferiority complex. The Irish suffer from it in spades.
 

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The Society of the Elect are desperately searching for a solution. Cecil must be turning in his grave, the irony of the Conservatives providing the impetus for the possibility of the dissolution of the UK.
The Conservatives helped the work of breaking the union with the UK in the 19th Century.

Playing with people's lives for narrow political gain.

The Conservatives way.
 

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This was a great idea when it was first proposed in the 1880s. And again when it was proposed again as a 'solution' for Irish independence. It came up again in the 1970s too.

Federalism is always proposed when the UK is in crisis. But nothing ever changes - and now its too late.
 

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So a federal Uk with bits who want to be in the Eu?
Yeah, laughable.

It's just the old colonial types trying vainly to prevent the inevitability of Scotland opting to reapply but art 50 hasn't been triggered yet so what exactly the Scots have to do is as yet unknown.
 

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