A Fine Gael Sinn Fein Coalition Is Now A Distinct Possibility.

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The SF London Office and senior advisors in FG have worked closely together on proposals to avoid a hard border between the Republic and NI. This augurs well for any future SF/FG coalition which is now a distinct possibility. Recent events have demonstrated that FF will end the supply and confidence agreement with FG if the party pulls level with FG in successive opinion polls. FG strategists have been told to start conditioning the FG membership for a possible coalition with SF. Ministers have been instructed to make noises about a United Ireland. One precondition which FG insisted on was that Gerry Adams would step down. Adam is now gone so there is now no obstacle to a FG/SF coalition if the numbers are right.

FG see the next election as an unprecedented opportunity for a third term in government. FG handlers know that FG and the independents that support them will lose seats in the next election and that the only way they can stay in Government is coalition with SF. Both Enda Kenny and Brendan Howlin have stated that a FG/SF coalition is possible. There will be no resolutions at the FG Ard Fheis against coalition with SF despite recent pronouncements by Leo.

On the other hand coalition with SF was officially ruled out at the FF Ard Fheis where as the SF Ard Fheis approved coalition with any other party including FG. FF have been badly outflanked. However, there will be no move against Michael Martin until after the next election.
 


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The SF London Office and senior advisors in FG have worked closely together on proposals to avoid a hard border between the Republic and NI. This augurs well for any future SF/FG coalition which is now a distinct possibility. Recent events have demonstrated that FF will end the supply and confidence agreement with FG if the party pulls level with FG in successive opinion polls. FG strategists have been told to start conditioning the FG membership for a possible coalition with SF. Ministers have been instructed to make noises about a United Ireland. One precondition which FG insisted on was that Gerry Adams would step down. Adam is now gone so there is now no obstacle to a FG/SF coalition if the numbers are right.

FG see the next election as an unprecedented opportunity for a third term in government. FG handlers know that FG and the independents that support them will lose seats in the next election and that the only way they can stay in Government is coalition with SF. Both Enda Kenny and Brendan Howlin have stated that a FG/SF coalition is possible. There will be no resolutions at the FG Ard Fheis against coalition with SF despite recent pronouncements by Leo.

On the other hand coalition with SF was officially ruled out at the FF Ard Fheis where as the SF Ard Fheis approved coalition with any other party including FG. FF have been badly outflanked. However, there will be no move against Michael Martin until after the next election.
Does this mean that they have FF caught by the Mickey .
 

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Condition FG members to a coalition with SF? Before of after they condition members to view abortion as healthcare for women?

The parliamentary party are so far removed from the membership that I'm cringing thinking about them. It's actually a little sad when you think about the pretty decent grassroots members. How much are FG now in debt to? Where are the membership?
 

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Does this mean that they have FF caught by the Mickey .
Yes. Its a pincer attack on FF. Hit them from both sides. Keep some of the FG votes "borrowed" from FF after the crash and push FF Republican voters towards SF. Why vote FF if they will not go into coalition? FF have ruled themselves out of government so a vote for FF is a vote for FG etc. Why bother voting FF?
 

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Bar the problem of Fine Gael inherently thinking the north was about troublesome paddies and austerity is the current for whatever ails you then yeah there practically aligned.
 

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Condition FG members to a coalition with SF? Before of after they condition members to view abortion as healthcare for women?
Abortion is healthcare for women - and SF do not have a pro-choice position on abortion. In the North SF oppose the extension so the 1967 Abortion Act to the North - in the South SF are in favour of repeal of the 8th but replacing it with a restrictive regime for access to abortion. There are FG TDs who would have similar or even a more progressive attitude to a woman's right to control her own fertility than SF.
 

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The thread is worthy of the Irish Press at its silliest. In the real world, there has to be some possibility of agreeing a policy for govt. whatever else Varadkar may be, he's a guy who takes policy seriously and unless SF were to completely change direction, its not realistic to see the two parties agreeing a budget.
 

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The SF London Office and senior advisors in FG have worked closely together on proposals to avoid a hard border between the Republic and NI. This augurs well for any future SF/FG coalition which is now a distinct possibility. Recent events have demonstrated that FF will end the supply and confidence agreement with FG if the party pulls level with FG in successive opinion polls. FG strategists have been told to start conditioning the FG membership for a possible coalition with SF. Ministers have been instructed to make noises about a United Ireland. One precondition which FG insisted on was that Gerry Adams would step down. Adam is now gone so there is now no obstacle to a FG/SF coalition if the numbers are right.

FG see the next election as an unprecedented opportunity for a third term in government. FG handlers know that FG and the independents that support them will lose seats in the next election and that the only way they can stay in Government is coalition with SF. Both Enda Kenny and Brendan Howlin have stated that a FG/SF coalition is possible. There will be no resolutions at the FG Ard Fheis against coalition with SF despite recent pronouncements by Leo.

On the other hand coalition with SF was officially ruled out at the FF Ard Fheis where as the SF Ard Fheis approved coalition with any other party including FG. FF have been badly outflanked. However, there will be no move against Michael Martin until after the next election.
If FG adopt SF policies in great enough numbers than it is a possibility :)
 

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The entire point of FF is being in power. I believe that if you could exclude them from it for long enough they would disintegrate. That would suit FG and SF. HOWEVER Sinn Fein would not survive coalition with FG if they were as ineffectual as Labour. FG would have to be willing to pull back to the centre.
 

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Bar the problem of Fine Gael inherently thinking the north was about troublesome paddies and austerity is the current for whatever ails you then yeah there practically aligned.
I'm pretty sure the brexit debacle will have given them some sort of education as to how the UK establishment thinks of Ireland.
 

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Yes. Its a pincer attack on FF. Hit them from both sides. Keep some of the FG votes "borrowed" from FF after the crash and push FF Republican voters towards SF. Why vote FF if they will not go into coalition? FF have ruled themselves out of government so a vote for FF is a vote for FG etc. Why bother voting FF?
Yes people should definitely forget the FFailures and vote for Sinn Féin.
 

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Bar the problem of Fine Gael inherently thinking the north was about troublesome paddies and austerity is the current for whatever ails you then yeah there practically aligned.
If the FGers have to wrestle with their consciences they will win 10-nil where the mercs n percs are concerned.
 

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I think FF will continue their arrangement with FG until at least autumn 2019. We are seeing the rehabilitation of Labour and under the slick Alan Kelly they should be recording 10% in the polls by then. In a fragmented polling arena this will give Labour 12-17 seats and with ff on 50-60 we'll have a FF/Lab coalition and FG about 45-52 seats settling for a S&A arrangement.
To thwart this SF need to hit 30-35 seats. But if even with this achievement of SF recording near 20% don't underestimate the resolve of the Dublin Establishment to avoid seismic change as if Labour have still managed to achieve a sizeable recovery we'll probably see a grand coalition of FFG coalesce to uphold the status quo with establishment strategists calculating that a revived Labour will benefit from most of the disaffection aimed at a FFG grand coalition.
SF are the outsiders and that is likely to remain a sacrosanct dictum of the 26 County Elite.
 

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If FG adopt SF policies in great enough numbers than it is a possibility :)
In a surprise turn a special FG Ard fheis condemned free state fifth columnists and proposed that John Briton be deported.
 

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If the FGers have to wrestle with their consciences they will win 10-nil where the mercs n percs are concerned.
10 nil?

Was the second half called off :)
 

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I'm pretty sure the brexit debacle will have given them some sort of education as to how the UK establishment thinks of Ireland.
Yeah but Dublin/Monaghan and collusion didn't have an impact but I hope your correct
 

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Yeah but Dublin/Monaghan and collusion didn't have an impact but I hope your correct
This threatens money, as opposed to people. Huge difference as far as FG are concerned.
 

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Bar the problem of Fine Gael inherently thinking the north was about troublesome paddies and austerity is the current for whatever ails you then yeah there practically aligned.
FG and SF have had informal discussions. SF want to run NI policy. Foreign Affairs will lose responsibility for NI. Michelle O'Neill will be appointed to Cabinet and become Minister for NI in the Dail. There is no constitutional issue with this as no oath of allegiance is required in the Northern Ireland Assembly.
 


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