A New History

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Sure Iran has a crap govt. In your view that justifies an invasion?

Good to know where other posters are coming from.

BTW Saudi Arabia & Pakistan have crap governments too. Also Burma/Myanmar, N Korea, most of the 'stans. Russia might qualify.

Cheerleading for invasions of those countries too?

Idjit.
Iran has been a virulent rogue state for decades. I do believe it's time to do something about it. Nobody wants a world with this endless permanent middle east crisis going on and on infinitum. As we become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil specifically, the time is coming about when the West can be more proactive in resolving the issue.
 


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"A new history begins now - at the starting point of history and the era of peace."

- Kim Jong-un.

In an unprecedented move, the leader of North Korea, Kim Jong-un, has traveled into South Korea to discuss the peninsula's future with his counterpart, Moon Jae-in. This is the first time a leader from the People's Republic of Korea has ventured south.



The agenda for the summit will focus on the North's nuclear quest and on formally bringing an end to the Korean War. However, some are speculating that things are coming to a head in the North and that they have finally reached the point where philosophical change might be needed. There's also the North's fear that the US might be inclined to make South Korea an island.

So, what do ye think? Will some good come of this summit? Can Kim be trusted? Will China and the US acquiesce? Does this mean that we will see SeosamhN back in this parish? Will there indeed be a "new history"?

North Korea's Kim Jong-un crosses into South Korea - BBC News
I think talking has to be a positive regardless of what's driving it.
A re-united Korea would surely be a positive
 

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Iran has been a virulent rogue state for decades. I do believe it's time to do something about it. Nobody wants a world with this endless permanent middle east crisis going on and on infinitum. As we become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil specifically, the time is coming about when the West can be more proactive in resolving the issue.
And the root cause?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
 

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I think talking has to be a positive regardless of what's driving it.
A re-united Korea would surely be a positive
No chance of that. But peaceful cohabitation and gentle emrgence of NK is a massive positive for that region. Get used to even more Asian competition in the future though.
 

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Iran has been a virulent rogue state for decades. I do believe it's time to do something about it. Nobody wants a world with this endless permanent middle east crisis going on and on infinitum. As we become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil specifically, the time is coming about when the West can be more proactive in resolving the issue.
Iran a rogue state? Sez who?

If the US Govt are mad enough to bomb the **** out of Iran then the US deserves the blowback that will come.

Unfortunately it won't just affect the US. Not to mention the 100's of thousands of innocent Iranians that will be injured or killed.

Or the millions of refugees that will be driven out of Iran.

Fortunately Iran can defend itself & is allied with Russia so the "West" may not be as reckless as you hope.
 

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No chance of that. But peaceful cohabitation and gentle emrgence of NK is a massive positive for that region. Get used to even more Asian competition in the future though.
True, but South Korea is a big market for Western companies as well
 

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Look, we all know about yawn colonialism, yawn, imperialism, yawn, made up borders, yawn, oil exploitation, yawn, Western interference in governments, yawn, CIA/MI6 sponsored coups, yawn and so on and on and on and on....

We know that. And we can blame all the former US/UK/French Presidents/Prime Minsiters all day long for the mess. That's fine up to a point. Most of them are long dead.

Iran has run it's own affairs for decades. It is now wholly accountable and responsible for it's actions and the reactions omf the West.
 

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Iran a rogue state? Sez who?

If the US Govt are mad enough to bomb the **** out of Iran then the US deserves the blowback that will come.

Unfortunately it won't just affect the US. Not to mention the 100's of thousands of innocent Iranians that will be injured or killed.

Or the millions of refugees that will be driven out of Iran.

Fortunately Iran can defend itself & is allied with Russia so the "West" may not be as reckless as you hope.
Ideally it will come about through peaceful economic leverage, global politcal pressure, whatever. But the fact is, enough is enough. Iran needs to be resolved.
 

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Iran has been a virulent rogue state for decades. I do believe it's time to do something about it. Nobody wants a world with this endless permanent middle east crisis going on and on infinitum. As we become less dependent on Middle Eastern oil specifically, the time is coming about when the West can be more proactive in resolving the issue.
Whoa.. Hold your horses there. I think that is a very broad statement to make. No doubt it could be backed up by western media and pr but dont be lining up Iran as if "dealing with them" will make the world full of love and understanding
 

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Whoa.. Hold your horses there. I think that is a very broad statement to make. No doubt it could be backed up by western media and pr but dont be lining up Iran as if "dealing with them" will make the world full of love and understanding
Nothing to do with Western media. Talk to any Iranians.
 

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By Jesus, things are moving quickly on this. The joint statement is light on detail but seems sincere in their joint aspirations.

Great credit all round.
 
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I think talking has to be a positive regardless of what's driving it.
A re-united Korea would surely be a positive
Reunification is almost certainly a bridge too far at this point. The South not living in fear of having a few nukes lobbed at Seoul, and the North being able to feed its people and getting rid of some re-education camps, would be very welcome.
 

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No chance of that. But peaceful cohabitation and gentle emrgence of NK is a massive positive for that region. Get used to even more Asian competition in the future though.
I agree.

A unified Korea in itself would be positive for all of the Korean people. But to which sphere of influence would a unified Korea look to?
This is the real question.

From China's current perspective, it doesn't want any neighbouring country to fall under western influence as it sees it.

Separately, today's development is positive. How durable this detente is, is another question. Only time can tell.
 

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The Donald is only getting started . Next Arlene Foster marries Leo Varadkar and has his babies and we all live happily ever after . Our Leprechaun President finds a crock of Gold for everyone in Ireland . It’ll be hard to bitch after that .
 

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At this rate give it a few weeks and David Davis will be flying in to get some open border pointers:lol:
 

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Meh, the World is going to be a boring place when noone threaten each other with nukes.
 

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Wasn’t Kim Jong Un a bit naive letting his face be visible to lip readers during some of those talks with the southern fella .

Is korean hard to Lip read ?
 

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Wasn’t Kim Jong Un a bit naive letting his face be visible to lip readers during some of those talks with the southern fella .

Is korean hard to Lip read ?
There are some interesting articles on the deviation in the Korean language spoken both sides of the divide.

Kim Il Sung also enacted some reforms North of the border to differentiate it from the South.

Similar to a Dub talking to a lad from Omagh. Confusing at first, but eventually easy enough to grasp thereafter.
 

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The Donald is only getting started . Next Arlene Foster marries Leo Varadkar and has his babies and we all live happily ever after . Our Leprechaun President finds a crock of Gold for everyone in Ireland . It’ll be hard to bitch after that .
I can't even imagine Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill holding hands.
 


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