A new suburb for Dublin?

Wascurito

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We all know that Dublin is facing a massive crisis in terms of homelessness and soaring rental costs. The city needs more homes immediately. So, on the face of it, the news that a new 8,000 home suburb is being proposed in the west of the city is good news.

However, Dublin seems to be set to make the same mistakes in disastrous planning that has contributed to this crisis in the first place. In the reports, I'm seeing the H word: "houses".

Is there any other capital city in the world that has such an darned obsession with building houses? The not so Fair City is still stuck in a 1960s mental time warp in which everyone lives in a nice little semi-D with a garden front and back.

Dublin cannot and will not work as a sprawling mess of houses gobbling up more and more eastern counties. How hard is this for Dublin's public representatives to understand. The city needs high density residential zoning and that means multi-storey apartments.

Irish Times: Plans for over 8,000 new Dublin homes to be published in weeks

South Dublin County Council plan new suburb with over 8,000 homes for west Dublin
 


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We all know that Dublin is facing a massive crisis in terms of homelessness and soaring rental costs. The city needs more homes immediately. So, on the face of it, the news that a new 8,000 home suburb is being proposed in the west of the city is good news.

However, Dublin seems to be set to make the same mistakes in disastrous planning that has contributed to this crisis in the first place. In the reports, I'm seeing the H word: "houses".

Is there any other capital city in the world that has such an darned obsession with building houses? The not so Fair City is still stuck in a 1960s mental time warp in which everyone lives in a nice little semi-D with a garden front and back.

Dublin cannot and will not work as a sprawling mess of houses gobbling up more and more eastern counties. How hard is this for Dublin's public representatives to understand. The city needs high density residential zoning and that means multi-storey apartments.

Irish Times: Plans for over 8,000 new Dublin homes to be published in weeks

South Dublin County Council plan new suburb with over 8,000 homes for west Dublin
Yup - I was somewhat surprised by news this morning when the developer seemed to be boasting that he could develop homes for as little as €300k...over 8 times the average salary.

Houses at over 10 times average net salary are not the solution.
 

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How hard is this for Dublin's public representatives to understand.
Ireland doesn't have public representatives, it has descendents of a puppet government installed by foreign guns. How hard is this for southerners to understand? They continuously act puzzled why their 'representatives' are in fact antagonistic to the interests of most of the people. It's because they took power by shooting you and then spent a century convincing you of their democratic credentials.

How do you think you deal with a plutocratic 'elite' - a post-colonial class - like the Irish 'elite'?
 

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Yup - I was somewhat surprised by news this morning when the developer seemed to be boasting that he could develop homes for as little as €300k...over 8 times the average salary.

Houses at over 10 times average net salary are not the solution.
He'll build-a-few, sell-a-few and use the money to build-a-few-more. That's the way these guys operate.

In some ways, it's not his fault. Developers are still recovering from the crash and don't have the money to take on the building of a whole apartment block in which there's no return until it's completely finished. That's why leaving this to the private sector won't work.
 

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Is there any other capital city in the world that has such an darned obsession with building houses? The not so Fair City is still stuck in a 1960s mental time warp in which everyone lives in a nice little semi-D with a garden front and back.

Dublin cannot and will not work as a sprawling mess of houses gobbling up more and more eastern counties. How hard is this for Dublin's public representatives to understand. The city needs high density residential zoning and that means multi-storey apartments.
Do I hear a cry of "Bring Back Ballymun"?




Ballymun: From high hopes to broken dreams | Irish Examiner
 

Wascurito

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Ireland doesn't have public representatives, it has descendents of a puppet government installed by foreign guns. How hard is this for southerners to understand? They continuously act puzzled why their 'representatives' are in fact antagonistic to the interests of most of the people. It's because they took power by shooting you and then spent a century convincing you of their democratic credentials.

How do you think you deal with a plutocratic 'elite' - a post-colonial class - like the Irish 'elite'?
Whoah, calm down there. :lol:
 

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Dublin already has a massive suburb. It's called Kildare.
 

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The Clonburris development is not news, this has been in planning for quite some time but it can't go ahead because the development depends on DART underground being built to provide transport capacity. Capacity that doesn't currently exist.
 

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What we want is a calm and rational debate as to the best way forward.
My debate is calm and rational - and fundamental. It's just you guys who can't handle it and want to run back into the little safe smalltown corral of southern insularity. I'm actually pointing you towards the solution but you can't - won't - hear. It requires too much from you.
 

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Yup - I was somewhat surprised by news this morning when the developer seemed to be boasting that he could develop homes for as little as €300k...over 8 times the average salary.

Houses at over 10 times average net salary are not the solution.
If they aren`t affordable nobody will buy them.
 

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He'll build-a-few, sell-a-few and use the money to build-a-few-more. That's the way these guys operate.

In some ways, it's not his fault. Developers are still recovering from the crash and don't have the money to take on the building of a whole apartment block in which there's no return until it's completely finished. That's why leaving this to the private sector won't work.
But it is because we don't have functioning banks.
 

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Ireland doesn't have public representatives, it has descendents of a puppet government installed by foreign guns. How hard is this for southerners to understand? They continuously act puzzled why their 'representatives' are in fact antagonistic to the interests of most of the people. It's because they took power by shooting you and then spent a century convincing you of their democratic credentials.

How do you think you deal with a plutocratic 'elite' - a post-colonial class - like the Irish 'elite'?
 

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You take your picture, you find an online editor, you edit it in some witty way and post it - you boring fker.
 

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You take your picture, you find an online editor, you edit it in some witty way and post it - you boring fker.
Wait until the Shinners haul themselves out of bed. You can plan your revolution with them.

Can I take it that you're in the Six Counties?
 

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How many are social housing ?
How many are affordable ?
Will private buyers be expected to pony up an extra xx% to cover them ?
 


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