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A small cut in VAT tax would be the best political solution for winning support for continued water charges

patslatt

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A small cut in VAT tax would be the best political solution for winning support for continued water charges

Cutting regressive VAT tax helps low income people more than cutting income taxes. So a small cut in VAT would be a good response to the leftie political argument that people would struggle to pay water bills and that since water is a necessity, it must be free at the point of use.

In most countries, water charges are a small portion of household bills and in welfare states social welfare incomes cover the cost of water as well as other necessities such as food, clothing and rent for the lowest income people. The leftie argument that necessities must be supplied directly by the government is silly. Even the the hard lefties would hardly argue for an Irish Food and an Irish Clothing.

The straw that broke the camel's back after years of austerity tax increases,water charges triggered an indirect form of tax revolt. Water charges were considered an unfair tax by many since water supplies had traditionally been funded indirectly by taxes.

Had the government earmarked a cut in taxes to offset the modest taxes spent on historic water supply budgets, it could have managed the political resistance to charges. It should also have engaged in a campaign to explain to the public the need for charges for water conservation and as a user pay system to raise the billions needed to modernise the Queen Victoria era water infrastructure.
 
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Cutting regressive VAT tax helps low income people more than cutting income taxes. So a small cut in VAT would be a good response to the leftie political argument that people would struggle to pay water bills and that since water is a necessity, it must be free at the point of use.

In most countries, water charges are a small portion of household bills and in welfare states social welfare incomes cover the cost of water as well as other necessities such as food, clothing and rent for the lowest income people. The leftie argument that necessities must be supplied directly by the government is silly. Even the the hard lefties would hardly argue for an Irish Food and an Irish Clothing.

The straw that broke the camel's back after years of austerity tax increases,water charges triggered an indirect form of tax revolt. Water charges were considered an unfair tax by many since water supplies had traditionally been funded indirectly by taxes.

Had the government earmarked a cut taxes to offset the modest taxes spent on historic water supply budgets, it could have managed the political resistance to charges. It should also have engaged in a campaign to explain to the public the need for charges for water conservation and as a user pay system to raise the billions needed to modernise the Queen Victoria era water infrastructure.
No, it's not just about the money and as a regular on P.ie. you should be very well aware of that.
 

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Would be much easier to increase whatever the €100 grant is called to €240
It would be easier and cheaper just to scrap the whole stupid idea, but FG seemed determined beyond any sensible reason to continue to clutch at water charges. Why?
 

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The tax base needs to be expanded further.

Any ideas ?

1. Fattie tax
2. Minimum price for Alcohol
?
 

Mad as Fish

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The tax base needs to be expanded further.

Any ideas ?

1. Fattie tax
2. Minimum price for Alcohol
?
An FG fib box, it's a bit like a swear box but every time FG is found to be lying they have to stick a euro in, that will soon sort it. In fact there could be one for FF as well, double the money!
 

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No way we wont pay.

Until of course we have no clean water and have water shortages in the big smoke.
 

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Because it's not a stupid idea. It's no accident that it's how everyone else does it.
Spending a billion on a billing system rather than the infrastructure is not stupid?

Really!
 

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No way we wont pay.

Until of course we have no clean water and have water shortages in the big smoke.
Well you shouldn't go wasting money on meters or Tireney's little helpers then.
 

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Its sort of funny.

A near 2% increase in house prices in one month in Dublin.

Even on a €300,000 home that is an extra €6,000 in 30 days.

Annual water charges bill €160
 

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Spending a billion on a billing system rather than the infrastructure is not stupid?

Really!
No. Installing water meters and getting people to pay by how much they use is absolutely the right way to finance the supply of water and sewerage services.

You're beginning to realise how absurd your position is now as the issue quietens down. There's a lot of it about.
 

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No. Installing water meters and getting people to pay by how much they use is absolutely the right way to finance the supply of water and sewerage services.

You're beginning to realise how absurd your position is now as the issue quietens down. There's a lot of it about.
Absurd position? At least my position is here in Ireland, where are you lecturing us all from?
 

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That's only because of the gobshiites who want to paint an economic and environmental no-brainer into a betrayal.
It's a no brainer for those with no brains, like yourself.
 

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Absurd position? At least my position is here in Ireland, where are you lecturing us all from?
Somewhere where water charges have been around for ages, and seem to be working quite well.

No boil water notices here.

By the way, do you believe that emigrants should be allowed to comment on current affairs in Ireland?

You appear to hold the view that, at best, their view can be safely ignored.

Or is it the fact that you're suffering cognitive dissonance by the slowly dawning realisation that you've been talking nonsense about water charges for several years now?
 


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