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A tribute to Pat Finucane's courage

belcoo666

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Read and learn.

The Chief Constable at the time saying he was associated with the Ra and helping them.
You couldn't get higher up the chain of intelligence than that.
"at that time " the chief constable of the RUC would be as reliable a source as the chief constable of the south African police at the peak of apartheid or a nazi death camp commandant .
 


death or glory

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"at that time " the chief constable of the RUC would be as reliable a source as the chief constable of the south African police at the peak of apartheid or a nazi death camp commandant .
The truth hurts.
 

Buchaill Dana

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Read and learn.

The Chief Constable at the time saying he was associated with the Ra and helping them.
You couldn't get higher up the chain of intelligence than that.
That article explicitly states he was not in the Ra....
 

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I'm afraid the use of Supergrasses never led to many convictions.
But the intelligence he and many others like him provided eventually led the RA to Surrender.
The supergrass project - even from the flakiest of supergrasses - had hundreds of convictions with most overturned on appeal when it became clear how ludicrous the claims were.

O'Callaghan pleaded guilty to two killings he didn't commit. Such were his fantastical ravings that neither MI5 or Special Branch used him. Only the discredited media and yourself have given him status.
 

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That article explicitly states he was not in the Ra....
I didn't even know the mail had a list of all the Ra members.
I'm sure it will also say Gerry Adam's wasn't in the Ra.
When the police Chief Constable says it I'm happy to take it as fact.
 

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bang bang

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Someone should get a tribute put into the next manifesto of SF... I think renaming Stormont into Pat Finucane/Provo Patty/Rosemary Nelson centre would be class. Would make some of the huns burn out a few of their own cars and smash their own kerbs up and stone their own peelers for a few days but they would bend the knee.
🤣hahahahaha🤣
 

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Lord Maginnis openly alleged it from his security intelligence. Sean O Callaghan a IRA informer has said he knew Pat as a leading RA man not as a solicitor.
O' Callaghan was an attention seeking Walter Mitty type character, anything he said has to taken with a large pinch....................but of course you know this Doggy.
 

death or glory

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Fock me you are hard work.

Lets rewind. You find a credible quote or source for your claim that Pat Finucaine was in the Provisional IRA.
Lord Magiinnis or the police chief constable,
Take your pick
 

death or glory

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Neither said that. Try again.
Yes they did.
Finucane family said they would take him to court, they didn't.
What did the Chief Constable mean when he said he was an associate of the IRA and carried messages for them.
 

Buchaill Dana

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Yes they did.
Finucane family said they would take him to court, they didn't.
What did the Chief Constable mean when he said he was an associate of the IRA and carried messages for them.
That he believed or had been told that he was an associate of the IRA and carried messages for them.

But you are claiming he was a fully green booked member of the Provos. Can you source that please.
 

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Lord Maginnis openly alleged it from his security intelligence. Sean O Callaghan a IRA informer has said he knew Pat as a leading RA man not as a solicitor.
Magennis said it after Finucane’s murder, not before. Just another Unionist politician justifying Loyalist murder and security force collusion.
As for paid informer and self-confessed liar Sean O’Callaghan, he was the original ‘coin operated colluder’. Again, O’Callaghan made an unprovable claim after Finucane was murdered. If hw could point to a statement he made to either police force before Finucane was murdered he might have had a shred of credibility. Might.

If that’s the best case you can make DOGgy, you have no case at all.

But then that never stopped your Loyalist buddies and their security force buddies from justifying sectarian murder.
 

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That he believed or had been told that he was an associate of the IRA and carried messages for them.

But you are claiming he was a fully green booked member of the Provos. Can you source that please.
I'm sorry the Ra never released its membership details.
It was obvious what the chief constable was saying. If it was proved in court he carried messages and helped he would have been charged with IRA membership.
 

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Magennis said it after Finucane’s murder, not before. Just another Unionist politician justifying Loyalist murder and security force collusion.
As for paid informer and self-confessed liar Sean O’Callaghan, he was the original ‘coin operated colluder’. Again, O’Callaghan made an unprovable claim after Finucane was murdered. If hw could point to a statement he made to either police force before Finucane was murdered he might have had a shred of credibility. Might.

If that’s the best case you can make DOGgy, you have no case at all.

But then that never stopped your Loyalist buddies and their security force buddies from justifying sectarian murder.
His family (who owned a firm of solicitors) publicly stated they would take magennis to court over his statement.
Even though they courted publicity the last 25 years or so, they never filed a case.
That tells it's own story.
 

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I'm sorry the Ra never released its membership details.
It was obvious what the chief constable was saying. If it was proved in court he carried messages and helped he would have been charged with IRA membership.
No it’s not obvious.
The RUC/PSNI have consistently stated that it is not their belief that Pat Finucane was a member of the IRA.
Jack Hermon never stated that Pat Finucane was a member of the IRA, he used weasel words like “associated with” because Finucane knew and acted for members of the IRA. He also acted for Loyalist paramilitaries; was he associated with them?
Hermon was terrified that Finucane would re-open the ‘shoot to kill’ cases from the early 1980’s which had Hermon’s fingerprints all over them, so he had Finucane murdered and then blackened his name afterwards in the hope that his murder would be glossed over.
How’s that working out?
 


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