A Tribute to the Noble DDR

Cael

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It's 20 years since the Deutsche Demokratische Republik fell to the holocaust of capitalism. And, while the capitalist spivs savour their victory, workers should not fall for the blanket propaganda that we have been subjected to for the last 12 months. This propaganda is not about history. Its not even about the DDR. It's about the fact that while the USSR fell 20 years ago under the weight of a corrupt, self serving elite, today, capitalism is falling for just the same reasons. The message is: We capitalist spivs might be vermin, but, dont dare oppose us or you might end up back in the DDR. (Not the real DDR, of course, but the DDR of the sick capitalist imagination, the DDR of media hacks like George Lee - who went on to show his incredible political judgement when he gave up a cushy number with RTÉ to join the blueshirts, and then started crying because he found out, several months later, that they were the blueshirts.)

So, let's talk about the reality of the DDR for a minute. It was founded after WW2, amoung the rubble of a nation that had been destroyed by fascism, and the allied bombardments and invasions. It was founded by idealists like Erich Honecker, who faught the Nazis while the capitalists funded them, and wasnt afraid to spend ten years in a Nazi prison for his Communist principals. In 1946, Germany was a ruin. The British had been absolutely wanton in thier bombings of civilian areas - Dresden being one of the worst war crimes in all of history - and millions of people were homeless. The Red Army had also taken much needed industrial equipment back to Russia. The outlook was very bleak. But, a miracle happened. After a few short years of Communism, millions of people had new homes - and no mortgages on them either. Millions of people had work to do in brand new factories. Education of the highest standards became available to everyone, free of charge. Nobody had to pay for medicine. Childcare for working mothers was the best in Europe. In sport and art, the DDR excelled.

But, not everyone was happy about this workers utopia existing. There were still hateful people, who's only ambition was to reduce the workers, once more, to wage slaves. Many of these enemies of the people were inside the DDR itself, but many were outside, secretly funding these traitors. It was the great work of the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, or the Stasi, to protect the Workers from these enemies. And, for the most part, they did this in a firm, but just manner.

So, we workers should never fall for the capitalist propaganda. We should be proud of the great achievements of the DDR, while learning from the mistakes. Needless to say, if there had not been mistakes, Germany might be united today as the DDR. The biggest mistake was trying to stop information about the west. That left East Germans with a totally naive idea of what captalism is all about. They were shocked to see their teenage girls turned into prostitutes and their boys turned into drug dealers and pimps. If they had known about capitalism, they would have known that the Wall was their greatest benefit - to keep the vermin out. By the 1970s, there should also have been a move to Direct Democracy - but, as we all know, powerful elites love to hang on to power.

As I say, we must learn from the successes and failures of the DDR, and march on to 21st Century Communism.


The DDR also had one of the most beautiful anthems of all time:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgvCWZJSQd4]YouTube - National Anthem of East Germany (DDR)[/ame]
 


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Let's celebrate the democratic achievement of the people of the DDR in putting an end to that police/prison state.
 

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Cael,

You are right on one thing: childcare was of a very high standard. But I cannot agree with you on the main thrust of your post. The Stasi were the lowest form of pondlife, the politburo were asinine mediocrities, much like our Cabinet, the economy was on its last legs in the 80s and would have died sooner had it not been for the imaginative work of Alexander Schalk-Golodkowski, and even Gorbachev was frustrated by Honecker & Co's refusal to look reality in the face. The DDR is gone and most of the citizens of the former DDR don't want it back. They may not be the most fervent fans of the system there are in now but they really don't want to go back to living in a prison.
 

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It was a tyrannical hell hole where people were encouraged to inform on each other. A collectivist s**thole where anyone who tried to be an individual and didn't toe the party line was considered an enemy of the state.
 

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Disappointed in you Cael. This is a fairly quick one to dispel. There's so much to attack but I think I'll stick to the mortal wound.

The Berlin Wall was there to stop people trying to leave the DDR not to stop people get in. When your own people are willing to risk their lives to escape the country, the country is probably the definition of a failed State.
 

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It was the great work of the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, or the Stasi, to protect the Workers from these enemies. And, for the most part, they did this in a firm, but just manner.

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If there were any lingering doubts that you are an intellectual spastic they have been dispelled by that post and that one sentence above all.
 

Cael

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Disappointed in you Cael. This is a fairly quick one to dispel. There's so much to attack but I think I'll stick to the mortal wound.

The Berlin Wall was there to stop people trying to leave the DDR not to stop people get in. When your own people are willing to risk their lives to escape the country, the country is probably the definition of a failed State.
Less than 200 people were killed in the whole history of the Wall. Only a tiny minority ever tried to leave. How many have been killed because of the border in Ireland? How many people have been forced to leave the capitalist paradise of Ireland? One out of every two since 1922.
 

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Less than 200 people were killed in the whole history of the Wall. Only a tiny minority ever tried to leave. How many have been killed because of the border in Ireland? How many people have been forced to leave the capitalist paradise of Ireland? One out of every two since 1922.
Eh, but we don't force them to stay at the point of a gun! There isn't one communist regime that didn't have to stop their own people from running away. Not a good advertisement for a country's system.
 

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It was a tyrannical hell hole where people were encouraged to inform on each other.
That sounds like Ireland. We are now being told to inform on our neighbours who MIGHT be earning a little while on the dole.
 

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No, you force them to leave by poverty.
The people of DDR were immeasurably poorer than the people of West Germany. It was the same as North Korea/South Korea today. It was a kip that built a wall to stop it's people fleeing.

There were no fatalities of people trying to get over the wall IN to DDR. :)
 

galleyslave

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waste of a thread. the DDR was a typical commie failed state. Why bother to even argue the point
 

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That sounds like Ireland. We are now being told to inform on our neighbours who MIGHT be earning a little while on the dole.
Yes I agree, that does go on here, but on a small scale. People here are not taken away at 3 in the morning and tortured. You are not denying that people were encouraged to inform on each other in East Germany but you also never highlight it. You brush the unsavory stuff under the carpet.
 

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The people of DDR were immeasurably poorer than the people of West Germany. It was the same as North Korea/South Korea today. It was a kip that built a wall to stop it's people fleeing.

There were no fatalities of people trying to get over the wall IN to DDR. :)
The people of the DDR were materially "poorer" than the people of West Germany. It can in no way be compared to North Korea and to do so is wildly off the mark and mind-bogglingly inaccurate.
 

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We could watch the spinning here till the cows come home and still be no wiser.
I take my line from people in Germany I met a few years after the wall came down , from both East and West. The easterners all had horrible tales to tell of relatives and friends disappearing because they wouldn't toe the party line or , in a few cases , it was thought they wouldn't.

What struck me about those from the West was their acceptance of higher taxes and a temporary lowering of their own living standards in order to revive the East. It was a form of practical patriotism that is rare these days.
 

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It still astonishes me that there is still the odd diehard Stalinist with romantic brooms of life in Stalinist Eastern Europe (especially one with the avatar Cael has).
 

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Cael. You are the equal but opposite to George Lee in his unsatisfying, superficial documentary about the DDR. There were indeed some good things about it, but they were few and far between.
 


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