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The only wrongdoing that's taken seriously in this country is to not pay every penny you owe in tax.
How are we to pay for public services if everyone doesn't pay their fair share in tax?
So, fail to do that and you'll soon know the meaning of the word accountable.

On the other hand, a former female member of the defence forces was discriminated against and awarded the guts of a million, plus there are both sides' legal expenses.
Nobody in any decision making role in this affair will lose out financially as a result of this however.
I know this because it would be unprecedented if they did.
The absolute most that could happen is that someone might say 'I take full responsibility' and expect
praise for saying so.
Meanwhile it's the taxpayer who is actually held accountable and will fork out the compo and costs.
There will then less money in the public purse but so what?

Army captain excluded from promotion process while on maternity leave awarded
 


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She won her case was was rightfully compensated. Why did you choose this case to front the OP?
 

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What about accountability for the judge awarding such a ridiculous amount of taxpayers money, never mind what both sides legal costs will be on top of it ...

€824,000 and she was only in the army 9 years, even less with maternity leave. A captain. The judge doubled the award because it would be taxed .... but surely the wages it was supposed to compensate for would have been taxed too???
 

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The only wrongdoing that's taken seriously in this country is to not pay every penny you owe in tax.
How are we to pay for public services if everyone doesn't pay their fair share in tax?
So, fail to do that and you'll soon know the meaning of the word accountable.

On the other hand, a former female member of the defence forces was discriminated against and awarded the guts of a million, plus there are both sides' legal expenses.
Nobody in any decision making role in this affair will lose out financially as a result of this however.
I know this because it would be unprecedented if they did.
The absolute most that could happen is that someone might say 'I take full responsibility' and expect
praise for saying so.
Meanwhile it's the taxpayer who is actually held accountable and will fork out the compo and costs.
There will then less money in the public purse but so what?

Army captain excluded from promotion process while on maternity leave awarded
You feel that those in charge of the HR function in the PDF who exposed their orgn. to this litigation ought to be sanctioned somehow?
 

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1. They've blown pretty much every internal rule they had here and their behaviour is egregious. You've got to make an example out of them. Why on earth wouldn't you? They're either the most incompetent people in the world or they deliberately set out to discriminate against her by making decisions while she was away without telling her.

2. That's a horrendously antiquated and ridiculous promotion system. "All 5 of us have been here 5 years. We've all done some courses. We must all be promoted now." Insane.
 

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The Irish Army has been a compensation machine for decades. Years ago it was "army deafness" compo claims. We might as well just shut the whole outfit down and save the money. All it does nowadays is provide work for people smugglers in the Mediterranean and Compo Lawyers in the Four Goldmines.
 

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2. That's a horrendously antiquated and ridiculous promotion system. "All 5 of us have been here 5 years. We've all done some courses. We must all be promoted now." Insane.
That is the real scandal.
 

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What about accountability for the judge awarding such a ridiculous amount of taxpayers money, never mind what both sides legal costs will be on top of it ...

€824,000 and she was only in the army 9 years, even less with maternity leave. A captain. The judge doubled the award because it would be taxed .... but surely the wages it was supposed to compensate for would have been taxed too???

utterly insane ...she has already secured employment elsewhere so the award had absolutely no need to be that high .....but then judges have to encourage people to take cases to ensure their mates in the law library can continue to be the most expensive, most archaic , slowest , most incestuous legal system in europe
 

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2. That's a horrendously antiquated and ridiculous promotion system. "All 5 of us have been here 5 years. We've all done some courses. We must all be promoted now." Insane.
Same rationale used by Varadkar in appointing his ministers. No first-time TD's were considered. They had to 'wait their turn'. God forbid that ability might slip through as a criteria for promotion in the Irish PS.
 

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She won her case was was rightfully compensated. Why did you choose this case to front the OP?
Then stop whinging about more money to be spent on health if you're happy with your taxes going on this nonsense instead.
 

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Because the case is closed and other ones are ongoing; Garda McCabe, Tusla, Jobstown, Templemore, etc....
It will be appealed.

And the State will win.
 

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She won her case was was rightfully compensated. Why did you choose this case to front the OP?
Its quite an amount for an award which did not involve personal injury. I remember reviewing a lot of wrongful dismissal cases in Canada in the 80's as I felt I might have a case on one occasion but the rule was you would only be compensated for the time you were out of work. I would question the judge's arithmetic in this case as the lady is currently working elsewhere.
 

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Same rationale used by Varadkar in appointing his ministers. No first-time TD's were considered. They had to 'wait their turn'. God forbid that ability might slip through as a criteria for promotion in the Irish PS.

Yet more idiocy from the usual suspect!

Give us a first term TD as our Minister and we'll have him/her eating out of our hands before the afternoon teabreak!

At least a second-termer has a chance of knowing what questions to ask and how to get things done!
 

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2. That's a horrendously antiquated and ridiculous promotion system. "All 5 of us have been here 5 years. We've all done some courses. We must all be promoted now." Insane.
It seems that the original offer of employment included an automatic promotion clause, she was hired as an engineer rather than going through the cadets so there seems to be a guarantee of promotion to commandant.
 

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It will be appealed.

And the State will win.
Possibly there is more to the story than what has been reported but the amount seems daft.
 

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1. They've blown pretty much every internal rule they had here and their behaviour is egregious. You've got to make an example out of them. Why on earth wouldn't you? They're either the most incompetent people in the world or they deliberately set out to discriminate against her by making decisions while she was away without telling her.
She was on 'additional unpaid maternity leave' and according to the article had 'several periods of sick leave'. So even her 'time served' would not be as long as someone (male or female) who started on the same day as her and who had not taken off a considerable period of time. She also had courses not sat.

In opposing her action, the respondents claimed she was assessed by the Commissioned Officers of Management Office (COMO) and deemed ineligible for promotion to Commandant because she had not completed certain courses.

The judge noted Captain Byrne argued the courses relied on by the respondents were not essential to her duties as an Engineer Officer.
 

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Yet more idiocy from the usual suspect!

Give us a first term TD as our Minister and we'll have him/her eating out of our hands before the afternoon teabreak!

At least a second-termer has a chance of knowing what questions to ask and how to get things done!
PS Time server crap. Alan Dukes was appointed Minister for Agriculture on his first day in the Dail. He was an agricultural economist with considerable EU experience so he bypassed the extensive list of national school teachers and publicans who were 'ahead of him'.
 

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PS Time server crap. Alan Dukes was appointed Minister for Agriculture on his first day in the Dail. He was an agricultural economist with considerable EU experience so he bypassed the extensive list of national school teachers and publicans who were 'ahead of him'.

Yep. Alan Dukes - the best Taoiseach that Ireland never had - was an exception. However, as he had been EU Commissioner Dick Burke's head of staff, he was vastly experienced in dealing with bureaucrats long before being appointed as a Minister.

But the general principle remains - give us a newby and we'll teach them how to sing our song!
 


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