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Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics are being dropped by schools to accommodate education cuts


RobertW

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Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics are being dropped by schools to accommodate education cuts

ASTI: Schools losing teachers, dropping subjects, despite increased student numbers

The ASTI are reporting (in the above link) that important minority subjects - Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics - are being dropped by second level schools as cuts in education impinge on the availability of subject choice to parents and students.

Additionally almost a third of Principals are teaching classes and 60% of Deputy Principals.

70% of schools have reduced services for career guidance.

What impact will this have on the future of education in Ireland?
 
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ASTI: Schools losing teachers, dropping subjects, despite increased student numbers

The ASTI are reporting (in the above link) that important minority subjects - Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics - are being dropped by second level schools as cuts in education impinge on the availability of subject choice to parents and students.

Additionally almost a third of Principals are teaching classes and 60% of Deputy Principals.

70% of schools have reduced services for career guidance.

What impact will this have on the future of education in Ireland?
So we've not only saddled the next generations with our debt, but we're also reducing their ability to pay it off.

Surely we should be encouraging chemistry, given that we have a significant pharmaceutical sector?

I know you're a teacher, and I've no intention of fighting your battles for you, but education is not something that needs to in a reduced or hobbled supply now or any other time.

The last couple of generations partied and the next few will pay the price. The very least we can do is to equip them with the tools that will allow them to clean up after us.
 

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Why the wages and pensions bill needs to come down, this is what happens when too much focus is on cutting services. Reilly and Quinn are two of many that have been saying this.
 

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Why the wages bill needs to come down, this is what happens when too much focus is on cutting services. Reilly and Quinn are two of many that have been saying this.
Or, this is why some taxes need to go up - to help pay for services. Two-sided coin.
 

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ASTI: Schools losing teachers, dropping subjects, despite increased student numbers

The ASTI are reporting (in the above link) that important minority subjects - Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics - are being dropped by second level schools as cuts in education impinge on the availability of subject choice to parents and students.

Additionally almost a third of Principals are teaching classes and 60% of Deputy Principals.

70% of schools have reduced services for career guidance.

What impact will this have on the future of education in Ireland?
I'm guessing that Irish still gets four classes a week through to sixth year though, right?
 

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Why the wages and pensions bill needs to come down, this is what happens when too much focus is on cutting services. Reilly and Quinn are two of many that have been saying this.
yeah Reilly and Quinn really should take a severe paycut. Leadership you know.
 

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Why the wages bill needs to come down, this is what happens when too much focus is on cutting services. Reilly and Quinn are two of many that have been saying this.
If you want to keep these subjects you have to change the PTR and hire more teachers. If you cut wages to fund those new appointments you end up with the same total wage bill. So if you want more teachers and a reduced wage bill you have to cut deeply. Will that attract quality candidates? Any employer will answer that for you.
 
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I'm guessing that Irish still gets four classes a week through to sixth year though, right?
Four? How things have changed. It was eight in my time. Maybe it was because it has Higher Level. What I do remember was that the course load took up a disproportionate amount of time in revision and homework.
 

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I'm guessing that Irish still gets four classes a week through to sixth year though, right?
Even if Irish was optional, it would still be more costly to run certain subjects (such as engineering, materials technology, chemistry and biology) in comparison.
 

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I'm guessing that Irish still gets four classes a week through to sixth year though, right?
Five classes in my school up until 3rd year and 6 p/week in 5th and 6th year. I was told in my school that I only had a very limited chance of being able to keep on the subjects I wanted. Physics, accounting, chemistry ect. would never be a combination option. Talk of accounting being cut altogether. Its really unfortunate.

And for the record, this country could probably do with some fresh Accountants and Economists...
 
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Or, this is why some taxes need to go up - to help pay for services. Two-sided coin.
Can we not just leave health, education and policing alone or at lease be pragmatic when it comes to cuts and cganges and cut everything that we don't absolutely need?

Motortax offices? Don't need them...
County councils? Don't need as many...
All this money we spend on advertising on tv and radio... bin it....
These agencies telling us how to wash our faces and wipe our asses? Cute them.
The drug war? Can't afford it.
Lump sums? A joke.
166 TD's? Waste of money.
All these middle managers which have popped up everywhere? No thanks.
Paying some of the highest drug prices in Europe? Why???
Quango's? Recession.
Paying developers in Nama? No.

We have plenty of scope to reduce the cost of running this country without simplifying it to the level of cut wages or increase taxes.
 

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ASTI: Schools losing teachers, dropping subjects, despite increased student numbers

The ASTI are reporting (in the above link) that important minority subjects - Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics - are being dropped by second level schools as cuts in education impinge on the availability of subject choice to parents and students.

Additionally almost a third of Principals are teaching classes and 60% of Deputy Principals.

70% of schools have reduced services for career guidance.

What impact will this have on the future of education in Ireland?
Time for Suds to pen an atricle for THESH!TERIMES encouraging the authorities to stick with putting bank bondholders and the EU empire's needs to the forefront.

If the peasants could only see the happiness that the current austerity brings the well connected, they would gladly go along with it, and be filled with pride.

More EU rope.
 
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ASTI: Schools losing teachers, dropping subjects, despite increased student numbers

The ASTI are reporting (in the above link) that important minority subjects - Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics - are being dropped by second level schools as cuts in education impinge on the availability of subject choice to parents and students.

Additionally almost a third of Principals are teaching classes and 60% of Deputy Principals.

70% of schools have reduced services for career guidance.

What impact will this have on the future of education in Ireland?
Physics, chemistry, biology and mathematics should be the core of all education. Removing any of them in favour of other subjects such as religion should result in a headmaster being fired.
 

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Physics, chemistry, biology and mathematics should be the core of all education. Removing any of them in favour of other subjects such as religion should result in a headmaster being fired.
Religion is virtually compulsory. These very important subjects are non compulsory.

It's nothing to do with the Principal. . He/She is told their cuts and to amend their timetables to suit. Their hands are tied.
 

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ASTI: Schools losing teachers, dropping subjects, despite increased student numbers

The ASTI are reporting (in the above link) that important minority subjects - Accounting, Chemistry, Economics & Physics - are being dropped by second level schools as cuts in education impinge on the availability of subject choice to parents and students.

Additionally almost a third of Principals are teaching classes and 60% of Deputy Principals.

70% of schools have reduced services for career guidance.

What impact will this have on the future of education in Ireland?
And yet both denominational and non denominational schools are compelled to provide an average of 56 man hours per week on a combination of syncretist, comparative religion, or sociology of religion exam syllabus or non exam religion classes, (in which there is no quality control in the Catholic or Protestant sense); and Social, Personal and Health Education; and Civic, Social and Personal Education, none of which serves either a denominational or secular model of education but confuses both.

If our Minister for Education is really serious about genuine choice, he should give schools the option of dropping one or the other, or both, and releasing man hours where it is badly needed in the remedial, resource, and for the provision of more Senior Cycle subject options. I say this as a committed Catholic who despairs at the State Syllabus in Religion which doesn't challenge children philosophically at all, and is a mish mash of subtle relativism and syncretism. Better no religion that that confusing nonsense. Ditto the social engineering and pop psychology inherent in SPHE. Ditto the CSPE nonsense.

The reality is the ideology driving education and the subjects therein that they love to drive it with, as well the pedagogy, (all must have prizes and false self esteem nonsense), is as strong and as entrenched and as financed as ever. Yet we still slip down the OECD table in comparison to a generation ago and the Primary school curriculum has had so much innovation and cross curricular integration nonsense that standards in basic numeracy and literarcy are by international standards behind what they were years ago too.

It seems also that the only part of the education budget to escape the snip are the architects of failure, the Inspectorate, the NCCA, the talking shop of the new quangoist teaching Council, and the Trade Union movements whose leaders are over paid and who have protected an archaic system where seniority delivers A posts, and not work rate or ability or creativity. (That is not to say some ost holders do merit their positions) Time also to give management real power of quality control and inspection of teacher performance and take it out of centralised, ideological driven Inspectorate, who take a snapshot in time. All in all those who brought us so much change and 'innovation' are never held to account themselves, and ultimately that is what is failing standards and children.
 
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Things are bad. Very bad.

Thankfully, things are not so bad that Mrs. Gimmemore will be getting sacked as an advisor to Ruairi spin.

Maybe she could provide some input into the economics curriculum.....help the kids to better understand property re-valuation, and the role of the state in causing inflation in the local economy.....
 

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Physics, chemistry, biology and mathematics should be the core of all education. Removing any of them in favour of other subjects such as religion should result in a headmaster being fired.
Sigh. Another P.ie poster with no idea how the system works. Serve on a BOM for a while and discover the reality of patrons.
 
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