Adams and the "average industrial wage"

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go away you begrudgers-----if you all led the ascetic lifestyle of Gerry Adams all of you average industrial earners could have a holiday home
 


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michels said:
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They are not published in his capacity as SF President.
Of course they are published in his capacity as President of Sinn Féin. They are hardly published in his capacity as member of the local Ballymurphy Hill Walking Club.

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Has he said he lives on the AIW only?
Yes. Or at the very least he has given the impression that he merely earns the industrial wage. He certainly hasn't said i also earn a few extra shillings publishing the odd book that other people write for me.


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There is no restriction on what reps or employees may earn. There are restrictions on what they can earn from being employed by the party or in their role as a Public Rep for the party. Its quite sensible really. Or do you think people should not be allowed two incomes?
Given that the average Shinner would have you believe that they work 25 hours a day i wouldn't have imagined that they had time to be earning a second income. :lol: This isn't about whether people have the right to earn two incomes it's about whether some in Sinn Féin are being entirely honest when they state they earn the average wage.
His books are not published in his capacity as President of Sinn Fein.

I asked you "Has he said he lives on the AIW only?"

You replied "yes" but then had to backtrack as you continue "Or at the very least he has given the impression that he merely earns the industrial wage".

He hasnt said, to the best of my knowledge, that he lives solely on the AIW that he gets from his salary as a public rep. If he has said otherwise please show where has said it.

You then say "This isn't about whether people have the right to earn two incomes it's about whether some in Sinn Féin are being entirely honest when they state they earn the average wage"

It seems to be about people earning two incomes with you as you also said earlier that "However, much as this might pain factual this is not equally applied and some are clearly allowed to earn more than others".

There is no restriction on what reps or employees may earn. There are restrictions on what they can earn from being employed by the party or in their role as a Public Rep for the party. Its quite sensible really.
Some have another income. Some do not.

And they are being honest if they say that all they recieve form their salaries as public reps s the AIW. If someone who has a secondincome says that they live solely on the AIW then would not be telling the truth, but to my knowledge no-one in such a position has said that. Again if they have please show me where they have done so.
 

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Does anybody have any idea just how many people in West Belfast have second homes in Donegal? Come the summer, Hudai Beag's in Bunbeg on a Saturday night might as well be on the Falls Road. And the people who own the homes aren't barristers or media types, they're taxi drivers and bricklayers who happen to love the county. For them, and for Adams, it makes considerably more economic sense to buy a house that can be visited by a family 10 or 20 times a year than it does to serially rent a ruinously expensive holiday home. In West Belfast, owning a second home in Donegal is about as remarkable as owning a five-year-old Mondeo. Which is why Adams' home in Donegal is a big deal to the chattering classes in Dublin, but doesn't mean a hill of beans to the voters of West Belfast. He'd be out on his arse if it did. People on AIW are as capable of financial good sense and planning for the future as those further up the salary ladder. I know many in Dublin will choke on their mocha lattes at the very idea, but there you go.
 

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Bóllocks. Adams has a five-bedroom detached luxury new-build as featured in 'OK' magazine. Any West Belfast 'taxi-drivers' in a similar position didn't get there merely by running fares up the Falls Road.
The annual West Belfast invasion of Bundoran is exactly as skanky as it looks, sounds and smells and generally arrives on a vandalised Ulsterbus. The villas of the Costa Provo are about as legit as the little Englands of the Costa Brava.
 

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Gerrry said:
meriwether:
He says he draws the AIW from his parlimentary wage.
Yes. Which is accurate.
Whilst it may be technically accurate , it's the kind of double speak which we've grown to expect SF over many years.
 

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InkyFinger said:
Bóllocks. Adams has a five-bedroom detached luxury new-build as featured in 'OK' magazine. Any West Belfast 'taxi-drivers' in a similar position didn't get there merely by running fares up the Falls Road.
The annual West Belfast invasion of Bundoran is exactly as skanky as it looks, sounds and smells and generally arrives on a vandalised Ulsterbus. The villas of the Costa Provo are about as legit as the little Englands of the Costa Brava.
Y'all got a point there, boy. Whut time we burnin' the cross tonight? How 'bout Ah swing round and pick you up in mah truck round seven?
 

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meriwether said:
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He says he draws the AIW from his parlimentary wage.
Yes. Which is accurate.
But its not the full story though, is it Gerrry?
He gives the perceotion that thats all he lives on.
I have never heard him suggest that that is all he lives on. Never. As you have admitted, he has stated clearly that all he draws form this salary as a public rep is the AIW, the same as all other SF reps. Any other income they have is a matter between the individual and the taxman and I am sure they have declared in their declarations of interests and earnings etc. Some of other incomes. More have not. If Adams has claimed otherwise I would be genuinely interested in seeing what he had exactly to say.
 

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I've always wondered what the story is here.

How much do they actually draw down? Is it the average industrial wage for an executive job profile?

Do they pay for their hair, makeup, fancy threads, cars etc. and do they put their own money towards campaign expenses? (Like other politicians).

Even it Adams can say his wealth comes from extra cirricular activities (I'm talking about books, guest speechs etc.) it still means he's profitting from his position and not exactly living on the average industrial wage.
 

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Limerick Lad said:
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meriwether:
He says he draws the AIW from his parlimentary wage.
Yes. Which is accurate.
Whilst it may be technically accurate , it's the kind of double speak which we've grown to expect SF over many years.
Double speak :roll: It is accurate. There is nothing untrue, inacurate or false about what he said or says on this issue. Its is quite simple but for slow learners like yourself.

All SF reps only recieve the AIW from their salaries as elected Reps. Joe Higgins does likewise. Not sure if anyone else does.

Some may have other incomes. More have not. Those that have declare their interests. Thre is no restriction on any member havent a second income. Are you opposed to them having a second income?

Adams has never to my knowledge claimed to live solely on the AIW but merely pointed out that SF reps only recieve the AIW from their salaries as public reps. That is correct. Not partially correct - but fully correct Full stop.
 

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Gerrry said:
All SF reps only recieve the AIW from their salaries as elected Reps. Joe Higgins does likewise. Not sure if anyone else does.

Some may have other incomes. More have not. Those that have declare their interests.
Does Thomas 'Slab' Murphy declare his 'interests'?
 

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Gerrry said:
meriwether said:
Gerrry said:
meriwether:
He says he draws the AIW from his parlimentary wage.
Yes. Which is accurate.
But its not the full story though, is it Gerrry?
He gives the perceotion that thats all he lives on.
I have never heard him suggest that that is all he lives on. Never. As you have admitted, he has stated clearly that all he draws form this salary as a public rep is the AIW, the same as all other SF reps. Any other income they have is a matter between the individual and the taxman and I am sure they have declared in their declarations of interests and earnings etc. Some of other incomes. More have not. If Adams has claimed otherwise I would be genuinely interested in seeing what he had exactly to say.
He constantly gives the perception that SF reps live on the AIW, constantly.
I have never heard him qualify- "but SF reps can also keep any private earnings they also make exceeding the AIW".
 

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The tone of this thread is not very surprising for me .. I guess the idea that anyone would enter politics for reasons other that self enrichment must be a complete mystery for FFers ...
 

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The rest of the money goes back into the party I presume.

If so, do the parties/politicians who follow this practice believe that this is the most all public representitives should earn, ie. would they be happy to lose the party funding it brings in.
 

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factual said:
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AIW - So what?
People often ask about the AIW and why it is so very important that all SF reps - from the top to the bottom - get the AIW with the rest going to SF.

The reasons this is good is as follows:

1. It ensure that SF reps keep in touch with the pressures on those struggling to make ends meet unlike other politiians.
No it ensires they earn the average.

If they wanted to be in touch with the "lowest of the low" in terms of wages, would they not draw the minimum wage?
 

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Gerrry said:
michels said:
Surely the profits from the books that Adams has written go back to the movement. I can't imagine that people are allowed to personally profit from their position within the Republican Movement. The AIW is a sound policy if equally applied. Within Sinn Féin however some pigs are more equal than others.
So you think that any member of SF who has another income or whos partner has another income of any sort should donate it all to the party do you?

The AIW is a sound policy and fair play to SF and indeed Joe Higgins that do it. If anyone else does it and I have missed that I apologise and fair play to them also.

If all the other TDs in the Dail want to do the same and only accept the AIW form their TDs salary then I would welcome that also, regardless of whether they have any other income or not.

What do you think, will they do it?
Just for clarification -

Any Socialist Party member elected as a T.D.'s is obliged to work full time as a political representative.

Any other income that Joe Higgins receives from his political work e.g. TV appearances etc - is regarded as income and donated in the same manner as his excess wages. Joe Higgins (and all the SP councillors) publish a full set of accounts detailing all income and expenditure at the Socialist Party Conference each year.

With regards to Sinn Fein - take Arthur Morgan for example - while he might receive the AIW from the SF organisation - he also receives income from his family's fish exporting business. Fair enough - but how much time does Arthur Morgan give towards the running of the business? (eg attending business meetings etc.). Would it be a stretch to suggest (1) that he warrants the AIW if he is not committed full time to political representation or (2) that he earns an income, generated from the work of others, for not doing any work at all - Hardly the character of a socialist.

Finally I would like any Sinn Fein members on this forum to answer the following questions (which I have asked before but not received a reply) -

Is it true that Sinn Fein T.D.'s keep all their Dail expenses on top of their AIW income from the Sinn Fein organisation?

If the answer is yes - do the Sinn Fein T.D.'s produce accounts that are submitted to the party to prove that all the expense allownaces received from the State were used to cover the legitimate expenses incurred in carrying out their duties as public representatives?

If they do not submit accounts for review - How do Sinn Fein members know that they are not pocketing the expenses and thereby giving a lie to the notion that they only receive the AIW from political representation?

Answers would be appreciated.
 

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Any other income that Joe Higgins receives from his political work e.g. TV appearances etc - is regarded as income and donated in the same manner as his excess wages. Joe Higgins (and all the SP councillors) publish a full set of accounts detailing all income and expenditure at the Socialist Party Conference each year.
That is the definition of living on the AIW.
Not what SF do, which is to give the perception they do.
 

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doheochai said:
With regards to Sinn Fein - take Arthur Morgan for example - while he might receive the AIW from the SF organisation - he also receives income from his family's fish exporting business.
So this is how SF attempted to launder twenty six million squid.
 

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InkyFinger said:
Bóllocks. Adams has a five-bedroom detached luxury new-build as featured in 'OK' magazine. Any West Belfast 'taxi-drivers' in a similar position didn't get there merely by running fares up the Falls Road.
The annual West Belfast invasion of Bundoran is exactly as skanky as it looks, sounds and smells and generally arrives on a vandalised Ulsterbus. The villas of the Costa Provo are about as legit as the little Englands of the Costa Brava.
Our number one investigory journalist strikes again. :roll:

I know a number of people from my own local area who are hardly rolling in it but can afford to have a holiday home in Donegal. They're not all Republicans btw.
 


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