Adams challenged on long-term British agent inside the IRA

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Adams challenged to 'come clean' on long-term British agent inside the IRA

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in today's Irish Mail on Sunday

A Provisional IRA Hunger Striker has challenged Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams to 'come clean' about an alleged long-term British military intelligence agent inside the IRA.
Belfast republican Gerard Hodgins,50, called for 'clarity' from Adams and local newspaper executive Mairtin O' Mulleoir about their past support for fellow IRA convicted prisoner turned local newspaper editor Sean Mag Uidhir.
The former North Belfast News editor has resigned as projects director at the Belfast Media Group [BMG], a local newspaper group close to Sinn Fein.
There are suspicions his stepping down is linked to the spy allegations and his possible role in the convictions of Hodgins and former Sinn Fein director of publicity, Danny Morrison over the 1991 IRA kidnapping of 'Sandy' Lynch.
Hodgins recieved ten years and Morrison eight years for their part in the affair.
Hodgins said: 'I would like Gerry Adams and Mairtin O' Mulleoir to clarify what they know.'
The BMG was asked to confirm if Mr Mag Uidhir has left his job and to comment on the allegations his departure is linked to the Hodgins' appeal but failed to respond.

by Mick Browne.

This article was a small paragraph 'hidden' inside today's Irish Mail on Sunday which is surprising given that it is alleging that a former newspaper editor was a 'long-term British agent inside the IRA.'

There is no link as the Irish Mail on Sunday doesn't appear to be online.
 


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Re: Adams challenged to on long-term British agent inside the IR

I would have thought a story like this might have commanded more page space than that, though it may get more attention if there are any future developments.
 

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this is very interesting ,, especially the fact former blanketman Gerard Hodgins is behind this call . MagUidhir was first denounced as an British agent to my knowlege a few years back by the former FRU officer Martin Ingram who also unmasked Fred Scappittici . MagUidhir was a senior member of the PIRAs internal security unit working alongside Scappittici . Republicans accross the board largely ignored Ingrams claims because there was no real substance to them and they seemed to be an attempt by him to hog the headlines - nobody wanted to play his game . However if there is any substance to this this is yet another damning indictment of both the sinn fein leadership and the andersonstown news , which is to all intents and purposes a propaganda front for the views of the sinn fein leadership , which are often the views of NIO securocrats and Prime Minsters .
In recent months 2 other former members of the provos Internal security unit Jim McCarthy and Paul Hamilton , both gerry adams bodyguards , appeared on the front pages of the Irish news on seperate days with front page stories denying they were British agents and posing sperately for photos in quite bizarre multi page spreads as they hit out a rumours which were circulating amongst the republican grass roots of west Belfast about their activities over the years . That was in the immediate aftermath of Adams bodyguard and driver Roy McShane being outed as a long time FRU agent . McShane also worked alongside the internal security unit with his fellow bodyguards McCarthy and Hamilton . The Irish news propaganda offensive on behalf of the 2 men made no mention of the fact McCarthy had been kneecapped in the early 80s by the IRA for collaborating with the screws in the HBlocks as an orderly and assiting them torment the blanketmen by hosing down their cells and other actions . He still carries a limp to this day for those years of treachery and collaboration . Nor did it mention Hamiltons nickname , Budgie , which was given to him by feloow republicans after he broke under interrogation in the late 70s and sang like the proverbial .

A few years back it was revealed following prime ministers questions in the British parliament that the andersonstown news group is funded heavily by the British governemnt , so obviously the British regard its political line as helpful to their interests . It remains to be seen how helpful to their interests one of its most senior editors has been over the years. And in particular what his reaction may have been to the cringingly awful apology and retraction of a samll opinion piece critical of the sinn fein leadership by a fellow editor .
 

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I was under the impression that there was a reorganisation in the BMG and that Sean was asked to take a senior post in the sales and marketing end of things and that he stated he would rather have stayed on the reporting end of things, thus the resignation.

Not very exotic or newsworthy but there you go.
 

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This and related PIRA double/triple/quadruple agent stories are going to be very difficult to disentangle. When you consider the long term roles of Michael Oatley and then Alistair Crooke in the peace process it's going to be very, very difficult to say who was playing who.

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Is it morally acceptable for journalists to be State-funded?
Are there any other newspapers which receive State funding? Surely it's a conflict of interests and would lead to a fear of criticising State actions or decisions." Biting the hand that feeds you "etc.
The Andytown News must be a valuable asset for the British Govt who wish to see Adams remain in control and protect their interests in Ireland. With each passing year it becomes more clear that Adams and the current PSF leadership have been in the pockets of Whitehall and Thames House all along.
 

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PatMcL said:
I was under the impression that there was a reorganisation in the BMG and that Sean was asked to take a senior post in the sales and marketing end of things and that he stated he would rather have stayed on the reporting end of things, thus the resignation.

Not very exotic or newsworthy but there you go.
Yeah and Scap moved to Italy for the Mediterrenean diet and alternative lifestyle.
 

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Bogwarrior said:
Is it morally acceptable for journalists to be State-funded?
Are there any other newspapers which receive State funding? Surely it's a conflict of interests and would lead to a fear of criticising State actions or decisions." Biting the hand that feeds you "etc.
The Andytown News must be a valuable asset for the British Govt who wish to see Adams remain in control and protect their interests in Ireland. With each passing year it becomes more clear that Adams and the current PSF leadership have been in the pockets of Whitehall and Thames House all along.
More Century House (well now Vauxhall Cross) ... only junior PIRA agents were run from Thames House ;)

Though some (e.g. Dean Godson) would say that the senior PIRA agents played Century House ...

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then of course we had the Michael Bettany saga which resulted in willie carlin being outed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/may/0 ... oodysunday

McGuinness had been meeting in secret with Bettany without either the knowlege or permission of the IRA . Carlin had been appointed by him as both secreatry and treasurer of Sinn Fein in derry , meaning he effectively controlled sinn fein in derry to all intents and purposes and knew everything . In turn Carlin was effectively grooming mcguinness for his public role , not only preparing many of his speeches but even choosing his clothes for him in order to project a persona to the media . That willie carlin was forced to go on the run from an interrogation squad that consisted of fellow FRU agents is almost too sickening a thing to contemplate but has to be faced up to .

Its believed in a number of republican circles there was a lot more to bettanys tale than willie carlin . Some years later Mitchell McLaughlin faced the prospect of interrogation after IRA members in south armagh became aware he was meeting in secret with British intelligence officials . McGuinness stepped in and announced there was not enough evidence to suport the south armagh claims . It would appear now they were right at the time and the movement was being delibertaely hoodwinked by a handful of people at the very top
 

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Yawn..... who cares. At this stage a revelation that a high ranking PIRA man wasnt a double agent would be news.
 

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merle haggard said:
McGuinness stepped in and announced there was not enough evidence to suport the south armagh claims . It would appear now they were right at the time and the movement was being delibertaely hoodwinked by a handful of people at the very top

Possibly ... as said Century House & McGuinness were very, very close ... I even recall a reference to it in a Le Carre novel !!

But figuring out who came out on top would be very hard ... source I had suggests that it was an equal match and more a dialogue than McGuinness being an "agent".

cYp
 

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These allegations come up all the time - it was McGuinness who was the last target. Treat it all with a pinch of salt
 

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cyberianpan said:
merle haggard said:
McGuinness stepped in and announced there was not enough evidence to suport the south armagh claims . It would appear now they were right at the time and the movement was being delibertaely hoodwinked by a handful of people at the very top

Possibly ... as said Century House & McGuinness were very, very close ... I even recall a reference to it in a Le Carre novel !!

But figuring out who came out on top would be very hard ... source I had suggests that it was an equal match and more a dialogue than McGuinness being an "agent".

cYp

a non Irish or British source ive heard a very tiny bit second hand from admittedly,doesnt paint McG in a very flattering light . And if it turns out there is more to this MacUidhir story than him having journalistic differences with OMillionaire it puts McGuinness in dodgier waters . Because it will mean Ingram was correct afterall yet again , and Ingram has openly accused McG of being an agent . Hes fingered 3 leading provisionals as agents and one was an agent for definite , another currently being accused of being an agent by a well respected former hungerstriker from west belfast and McG himself whose denials are purely emotional pleading none too convincing in my opinion.

As for figuring out who came out on top its not remotely difficult to ascertain . Britian acheived every last one of its counter insurgency objectives with breathtaking totality whilst the provos are now paid agents of the British state in Ireland . Its abundantly apparent that the provos entire counterintelligence operation was thoroughly pentrated , and may well have been a British invention to start with . Such a scenario leaves the British intelligence operation in Ireland as outright winners in their game with the vain and the arrogant and the self obsessed .
 

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ArtyQueing said:
These allegations come up all the time - it was McGuinness who was the last target. Treat it all with a pinch of salt
these allegations were made against this individual some years ago and where treated with a bucketload of salt. It would appear from Gerard Hodgens reaction to latest developments there is actually some substance to them afterall , as Mr Hodgens is a level headed sort of chap and not someone who can be brushed off as a chip on the shoulder dissident type with a grudge or someone plugging a book .

McGuinness certainly has a case to answer on a number of issues , not least willie carlin and frank hegarty and the decision by the British not persue a prosecution against him , among other things .
 

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merle haggard said:
ArtyQueing said:
These allegations come up all the time - it was McGuinness who was the last target. Treat it all with a pinch of salt
these allegations were made against this individual some years ago and where treated with a bucketload of salt. It would appear from Gerard Hodgens reaction to latest developments there is actually some substance to them afterall , as Mr Hodgens is a level headed sort of chap and not someone who can be brushed off as a chip on the shoulder dissident type with a grudge or someone plugging a book .

McGuinness certainly has a case to answer on a number of issues , not least willie carlin and frank hegarty and the decision by the British not persue a prosecution against him , among other things .
It is very easy to construct theories but there is precious little evidence for any of this, not surprising because i don't think that either Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness would be likely britisn agents :roll:
 

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Bogwarrior said:
PatMcL said:
I was under the impression that there was a reorganisation in the BMG and that Sean was asked to take a senior post in the sales and marketing end of things and that he stated he would rather have stayed on the reporting end of things, thus the resignation.

Not very exotic or newsworthy but there you go.
Yeah and Scap moved to Italy for the Mediterrenean diet and alternative lifestyle.

Yeah and Dave Rupert walked in off the streets to Coke AC meetings, you gotta laugh at some of the people pointing fingers.
 

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PatMcL said:
Bogwarrior said:
PatMcL said:
I was under the impression that there was a reorganisation in the BMG and that Sean was asked to take a senior post in the sales and marketing end of things and that he stated he would rather have stayed on the reporting end of things, thus the resignation.

Not very exotic or newsworthy but there you go.
Yeah and Scap moved to Italy for the Mediterrenean diet and alternative lifestyle.

Yeah and Dave Rupert walked in off the streets to Coke AC meetings, you gotta laugh at some of the people pointing fingers.
Are you accusing Gerard Hodgens of being linked to the RIRA or in any manner supportive of them ?

David Rupert was paid well over a million pounds sterling to make this claim by a foreign intelligence agency , namely MI5 . It later emerged that when he claimed hed been attending this alleged army council meeting on a beach in Donegal with Mr McKevitt , garda surveillance records showed that Mr McKevitt was in fact under close garda observation in Blackrock co louth and had been the entire week . In other words David Rupert is a paid perjuror on behalf of the British intelligence services and he told a lie during a political show trial for which he was paid over one million pounds . You are also well aware of this but its clear that your own honesty should be treated with some caution .
There are without doubt many perfectly valid criticisms one could make about the RIRA but you continue to use a wholly spurious claim by a paid perjuror that was proven to be an outright lie . This casts grave doubt on your ability to spin the newspaper editors decision to stand aside as his own decision as a position that holds any credibility . Personally I dont believe your explanation of events any more than I believe Robin Livingstones apology to gerry adams for having the temerity to criticise him for his performance as the areas MP was done of his own volition either. Leaving aside the bizarre situation where a newspaper actually has to apologise to a politician on its front page for the crime of writing a critical article about him and his responsibilities as an MP
 

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merle haggard said:
Are you accusing Gerard Hodgens of being linked to the RIRA or in any manner supportive of them ?

I am accusing the usual RIRA supporting keyboard warriors of sitting by their keyboards waiting to fan flames on stories like this. Hodgens split from the republican movement some time ago, the reasons for doing so are well known


David Rupert was paid well over a million pounds sterling to make this claim by a foreign intelligence agency , namely MI5 . It later emerged that when he claimed hed been attending this alleged army council meeting on a beach in Donegal with Mr McKevitt , garda surveillance records showed that Mr McKevitt was in fact under close garda observation in Blackrock co louth and had been the entire week . In other words David Rupert is a paid perjuror on behalf of the British intelligence services and he told a lie during a political show trial for which he was paid over one million pounds . You are also well aware of this but its clear that your own honesty should be treated with some caution .
There are without doubt many perfectly valid criticisms one could make about the RIRA but you continue to use a wholly spurious claim by a paid perjuror that was proven to be an outright lie . This casts grave doubt on your ability to spin the newspaper editors decision to stand aside as his own decision as a position that holds any credibility . Personally I dont believe your explanation of events any more than I believe Robin Livingstones apology to gerry adams for having the temerity to criticise him for his performance as the areas MP was done of his own volition either. Leaving aside the bizarre situation where a newspaper actually has to apologise to a politician on its front page for the crime of writing a critical article about him and his responsibilities as an MP
It never ceases to amuse me when an anonymous internet coward passes judgement on my own honesty. A coward who sits by his keyboard waiting to feed off stories like this and all the time claiming that his real enemies are the big bad British state. All the time lending credence to an organisation that has amassed nothing but Irish and a few Spanish fatalities, pathetic.
On that basis it matters not an iota what you believe. Your views on these stories are well documented. No matter the source or outlet you are one of the first to lend any rumour support and credence. I think the terminology used to describe people of your ilk is useful fool. Indeed.
 

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it's accepted by the british that the ira successfully used double agents to outwit their intelligence services and in hindsight the british could reveal these people as their agents. to the unwitting public who can't discern for themselves the ira will hardly put all of it's intelligence game in the public's domain to each allegation that surfaces but the ira was very strict at allowing it's business to flow anywhere so i don't believe that the ira was being run by any british security service nor was it penetrated sufficently to stop it pursuing it's own political agenda. if you remember the ira outlasted the tories and only ceased when tony blair got elected so there was hardly an endgame being dictated by right wing colonial groups. against superior odds the ira acquitted itself and behaved with courage when big decisions and risks had to be taken.
 


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