Aggressive national strategies for housing, health care and car insurance could restore popularity of Fianna Fail in a minority government

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Fianna Fail under Taoiseach Sean Lemass in the 1960s governed in a minority government as if it had a majority, confident the opposition parties wouldn't dare force a general election. Maybe Fianna Fail could repeat that success by introducing aggressive national policies on housing, health care and car insurance to address the main complaints of Sinn Fein voters whose support depends heavily on floating voters going by swings in Sinn Fein's poll ratings. Such policies would have high risks for constituency politics, with NIMBY home owners selfishly objecting to housing, trade unions and doctors protecting their workers co-op privileges, Irish voters clinging to inefficient hospitals in every town and lawyers feasting on absurd compo insurance awards. Since the general election rise of Sinn Fein delivered a threat to establishment parties to fulfill election promises or disappear,their national strategies should to a considerable extent override constituency politics in order to remain major parties.
Fianna Fail doesn't necessarily have to bribe a lot of independents to govern. It could offer green policies that are long overdue to attract the Greens in a coalition. Labour desperately needs publicity to survive and should settle for a few ministerial positions. Some of the sensible independents should be approached but blatant political bribes like the old days should not be offered.
 


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The problem all three major parties have on housing is that their political representatives side with the nimbys when new homes are proposed in their own constituencies. What’s needed is a party whose main raison d’être is affordable housing in and around Dublin and which will simply promise never to work against the construction of new homes there.
 

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Fianna Fail were effectively in power up to about yesterday, Pat, and provided little in the way of opposition to Fine Gael either in government or out of it as today's taking of the national pulse would indicate.
 

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Fianna Fail under Taoiseach Sean Lemass in the 1960s governed in a minority government as if it had a majority, confident the opposition parties wouldn't dare force a general election. Maybe Fianna Fail could repeat that success by introducing aggressive national policies on housing, health care and car insurance to address the main complaints of Sinn Fein voters whose support depends heavily on floating voters going by swings in Sinn Fein's poll ratings. Such policies would have high risks for constituency politics, with NIMBY home owners selfishly objecting to housing, trade unions and doctors protecting their workers co-op privileges, Irish voters clinging to inefficient hospitals in every town and lawyers feasting on absurd compo insurance awards. Since the general election rise of Sinn Fein delivered a threat to establishment parties to fulfill election promises or disappear,their national strategies should to a considerable extent override constituency politics in order to remain major parties.
Fianna Fail doesn't necessarily have to bribe a lot of independents to govern. It could offer green policies that are long overdue to attract the Greens in a coalition. Labour desperately needs publicity to survive and should settle for a few ministerial positions. Some of the sensible independents should be approached but blatant political bribes like the old days should not be offered.
FF + Greens + Miscellaneous was probably their optimum choice .... but it is not even clear this evening if they will break 40 seats.

Seventeens seats left to fill, Sinn Fein are probably at their max (37), FF may end up on the same. They are at 30

FF + SF + Greens?
 

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FF + SF + Greens?
FF + SF + SDs supported by independents might be an easier option, the Greens and SF don't agree on carbon tax.
 

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The problem all three major parties have on housing is that their political representatives side with the nimbys when new homes are proposed in their own constituencies. What’s needed is a party whose main raison d’être is affordable housing in and around Dublin and which will simply promise never to work against the construction of new homes there.
Political parties that have lasted as long as FF,FG and L have political flexibility in their DNA.
 

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Fianna Fail were effectively in power up to about yesterday, Pat, and provided little in the way of opposition to Fine Gael either in government or out of it as today's taking of the national pulse would indicate.
FF couldn't attack the government for failures in housing,health care and compo insurance,failures it failed to address itself. In the housing boom the FF led government presided over, an awful lot of housing was built in the wrong areas because of NIMBY objections where houses were needed most,in Dublin, Cork and Galway. In health care, health minister Martin get a reputation for ordering major consultancy studies that were shelved.
 

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The problem all three major parties have on housing is that their political representatives side with the nimbys when new homes are proposed in their own constituencies. What’s needed is a party whose main raison d’être is affordable housing in and around Dublin and which will simply promise never to work against the construction of new homes there.
the reality facing any government is that the system is so obstructive in many ways they will find it very difficult to make progress

health system is classic - all the vested interests will block all meaningful reform

housing will be similarly difficult.
 

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FF needs to go into opposition, ditch Martin and take the party to the right - its natural home.
It has tried the trendy, woke route and has nothing to show for it.
 

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the reality facing any government is that the system is so obstructive in many ways they will find it very difficult to make progress

health system is classic - all the vested interests will block all meaningful reform

housing will be similarly difficult.
That’s true but at least my imaginary party would throw out anybody who supported a nimby‘s planning objection.
 

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FF + Greens + Miscellaneous was probably their optimum choice .... but it is not even clear this evening if they will break 40 seats.

Seventeens seats left to fill, Sinn Fein are probably at their max (37), FF may end up on the same. They are at 30

FF + SF + Greens?
SF's populist economic policies would wreck the economy and send their largely working class and young supporters packing to England for jobs as the historical cry would be repeated, "They've gone TINGLAND". SF want to jack up alread high taxes on incomes above the average , taxes that don't deliver corresponding state benefits as in well managed welfare states. Those taxes are wasted on poor long term planning of services and extravagent public sector pay and pensions. Their proposed rent freeze and implied rigid rent controls would lead to sharply declining maintenance standards, slum creation on the lowest rental properties and a collapse in investment in rental housing. A wealth tax would be considered hostile by business given the near impossible difficulties and total impracticality of annual valuations as well as the fact that there are already three wealth taxes:capital gains, capital acquisition and local property tax.Someone should read the bed time story to wealth tax advocates about killing the goose that laid the golden egg!
The influence of ex parmilitaries in Sinn Fein supports hard left economic policies that likely prevent reasonable compromise with moderate economic policies.
 

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FF needs to go into opposition, ditch Martin and take the party to the right - its natural home.
It has tried the trendy, woke route and has nothing to show for it.
There is no right wing party in Ireland. FG is schizoid from historic coalitions and spent the country bankrupt under Garret Fitzgerald apparently to prevent Haughey from power. FF has been populist a lot of the time,especially in the Jack Lynch victory based on abolition of car tax and rates on housing. When economic crises occur from lack of planning and short termism, the government goes into crisis manager mode. Then it wins public support in crisis to exploit the formidable centralised powers of the combined executive and legislature to make ruthless economic and financial decisions.
 

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That’s true but at least my imaginary party would throw out anybody who supported a nimby‘s planning objection.
Politicians can make cut and paste NIMBY objections with a nod and a wink. What's neeeded now is further progress following on Bord Pleanala's fast tracking of housing projects of 100 houses or more and the raised height limit for rental apartments from 7 to 21 stories. Standardisation of diverse planning regulations across Ireland is needed. Above all, the funding for housing infrastructure should be guaranteeed for many years ahead, not cut off at the least sign of economic downturn.
 

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For all of the parties except SF this was the canvasers year to drop a leaflet into the mailbox and run. The ones I managed to catch seemed to never have heard of hospitals or car insurance. SF campaigned on these and I will expect them to address the problems.
 

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There is no right wing party in Ireland. FG is schizoid from historic coalitions and spent the country bankrupt under Garret Fitzgerald apparently to prevent Haughey from power. FF has been populist a lot of the time,especially in the Jack Lynch victory based on abolition of car tax and rates on housing. When economic crises occur from lack of planning and short termism, the government goes into crisis manager mode. Then it wins public support in crisis to exploit the formidable centralised powers of the combined executive and legislature to make ruthless economic and financial decisions.
Ireland has never had a socialist government. And FF and FG are chock full of social reactionaries.

They've misjudged the mood of the nation. Which is tired of their bullsh*t.

Both parties were in government over the last five years which has seen a disastrous piece of mismanagement, possibly deliberate, around the National Children's Hospital and both parties are equally responsible for fluffing the nests of buy-to-let investors instead of managing the issue of homelessness.

Cat meet pigeons.
 

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Someone tell Volatire. He seems to think FF is a socialist party. Then again he'd probably see Pinochet as soft-left.

Issues, as they used to say, which have led to a loss of perspective.
 

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Has Mehole resigned yet, or will FF be holding on to that figurehead into another election?

Has anyone read the result for him?
 


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