Aggressive national strategies for housing, health care and car insurance could restore popularity of Fianna Fail in a minority government

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Ronnie Reagan must have been a massive commie by that measure seeing as he blew out a huge spending race and left an enormous budgetary overhang. Ronnie the Commie.
Again, check your facts. US federal spending combined with state spending never went above 35% of the US economy except in WW2. Spending as a percent of the economy is the best measure of left vs right wing politics. Deficits are a minor influence by comparison.
 


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Why doesn't the State cut out the REIT middleman and contract directly with developments to build such developers and make them a mix of social, affordable, and affordable rentals?

Instead of pumping billions into HAP
REITs have a very good track record in housing in both the US and UK and generate taxes on the compulsory high payout of dividends of about 90%.
 
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Its FG who went trendy and woke and they suffered for it. I doubt if legalising abortion got them one extra vote while it cost them votes among older voters. For the younger voters, eaten bread is soon forgotten.
Should we return to coat hanger, back street abortions?
 

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There is a difference between builders and developers, basically developers raise finance and buy sites whereas a contractor will build whatever he's asked to build. HAP is a sticking plaster solution to an immediate problem. I agree with SF's proposal to build social housing directly. Unfortunately, house building takes time, no matter how big your ar5e is, you can't pluck houses out of it.
Building directly is costly. A post by someone who seemed knowlegeable claimed that locals often poorly informed on best practice designs and layout choose inferior plans; that cost plus contracts are exploited by subcontractors; and a provision that social housing contracts should employ local labour is silly as if there were able bodied fit building labourers and trades people on every street corner. Hiring locals drives up wage costs.
 

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Maybe but the site needs to be developed before you can build houses. Cherryfield will provide a huge number of housing units but the infrastructure is still being built.
Cherryfield grows cherries, where?
 
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Why will it stagnate? Threat of freeze on rents? REITs have proven a good financial vehicle in property in both the USA and the UK partly because they pay out most of profits. That would generate taxes on dividends in the hands of Irish owners. This high payout also imposes strict financial discipline. In contrast, too many developers take on too much debt and go bankrupt.
Lots of objections....
 

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For all of the parties except SF this was the canvasers year to drop a leaflet into the mailbox and run. The ones I managed to catch seemed to never have heard of hospitals or car insurance. SF campaigned on these and I will expect them to address the problems.
SF's hard lefties would spend money like drunken sailors for little result and tax the economy into recession. Then SF supporters among the working class and youth would be "gone TINGLAND" to look for work as we used to say in hard times.
 

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Maybe but the site needs to be developed before you can build houses. Cherryfield will provide a huge number of housing units but the infrastructure is still being built.
It is well outside the M50. Emphasis should be on developing housing inside the M50 to prevent long commuting that reduces the quality of life for families.
 

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It is well outside the M50. Emphasis should be on developing housing inside the M50 to prevent long commuting that reduces the quality of life for families.
Its in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown council area near the M50/M11 junction, a prime location.
 

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Cherryfield showed up north of the M50 on a Google search for the map but I'll take your word for it.
Its near Loughlinstown, between the N11 and M50, its virtually a new town complete with Luas stop.
 

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Its in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown council area near the M50/M11 junction, a prime location.
Snobbish DLR council built a social housing estate quite isolated near Marley Park years ago. At one stage, bus drivers refused to go there.
 

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Fianna Fail under Taoiseach Sean Lemass in the 1960s governed in a minority government as if it had a majority, confident the opposition parties wouldn't dare force a general election. Maybe Fianna Fail could repeat that success by introducing aggressive national policies on housing, health care and car insurance to address the main complaints of Sinn Fein voters whose support depends heavily on floating voters going by swings in Sinn Fein's poll ratings. Such policies would have high risks for constituency politics, with NIMBY home owners selfishly objecting to housing, trade unions and doctors protecting their workers co-op privileges, Irish voters clinging to inefficient hospitals in every town and lawyers feasting on absurd compo insurance awards. Since the general election rise of Sinn Fein delivered a threat to establishment parties to fulfill election promises or disappear,their national strategies should to a considerable extent override constituency politics in order to remain major parties.
Fianna Fail doesn't necessarily have to bribe a lot of independents to govern. It could offer green policies that are long overdue to attract the Greens in a coalition. Labour desperately needs publicity to survive and should settle for a few ministerial positions. Some of the sensible independents should be approached but blatant political bribes like the old days should not be offered.
Fianna Fail sat on their hands and turned a blind eye to Fine Gael as they let the insurance companies hike premiums....and rip off all their customers year after year.
Sinn Fein constantly warned and complained about this rip off that knew no party affiliations.....yet when Pearse Doherty got down to the nitty gritty figures with those bosses...some Fine Gael and Fianna Fail TD'S and supporters called it Opportunist.
Thats how naive and stupid some people are......Ah sure we will continue to pay over the odds as they laugh at us...'cos it's only Sinn Fein being "Populist"

Watch both FG and FF try and steal those complaints now...and pretend they were doing something meaningful all along.
And hoping people will forget those same companies were the guests of Fianna Fail in the Galway tent....and guests of DOB at various functions.
Their corruption is and was rife.
 

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Fianna Fail sat on their hands and turned a blind eye to Fine Gael as they let the insurance companies hike premiums....and rip off all their customers year after year.
Sinn Fein constantly warned and complained about this rip off that knew no party affiliations.....yet when Pearse Doherty got down to the nitty gritty figures with those bosses...some Fine Gael and Fianna Fail TD'S and supporters called it Opportunist.
Thats how naive and stupid some people are......Ah sure we will continue to pay over the odds as they laugh at us...'cos it's only Sinn Fein being "Populist"

Watch both FG and FF try and steal those complaints now...and pretend they were doing something meaningful all along.
And hoping people will forget those same companies were the guests of Fianna Fail in the Galway tent....and guests of DOB at various functions.
Their corruption is and was rife.
The judiciary set up a body to standardise injury claims. That should prevent wild claims that force insurers to settle out of court.
 

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Don't mind that bullshit.
What did the government and their friends in the judiciary do about Insurance companies lying, breaking the law...and ripping off customers?
 

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Don't mind that bullshit.
What did the government and their friends in the judiciary do about Insurance companies lying, breaking the law...and ripping off customers?
I heard on the radio that the insurance are refusing to pay out to businesses that closed due to the coronavirus - the argument being that they did so voluntarily, as there was no order in place forcing them to do so.
You'd almost wonder if someone in the insurance business had a word in Leo and Paschal's ears as to how the issue should be dealt with.
 

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Again, check your facts. US federal spending combined with state spending never went above 35% of the US economy except in WW2. Spending as a percent of the economy is the best measure of left vs right wing politics. Deficits are a minor influence by comparison.
Superheating the economic sector and putting the soviet economic infrastructure under severe pressure was a major factor in the collapse of the old Soviet Eastern Bloc.

Reagan kicked off a borrowing spree that left a massive deficit overhang in order to fund just that 'race for growth' and spending, a deficit that became permanent and is now basically too big to manage other than by trying to create 'fiscal space' by playing with the regulations put in place to prevent that.
 


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