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Ahern probably worst leader ever - Stephen Collins

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In a piece on what the Opposition should be getting across to voters before the next election, Stephen Collins had the following to say about the previous Taoiseach: "[...] it is becoming clearer by the day that Ahern was probably the worst leader the country ever had and people in all walks of life are now suffering because of his incompetent management of the economy": Opposition parties must tell electorate hard truths - The Irish Times - Sat, Jan 02, 2010

That's pretty hard-hitting stuff, but it's refreshing to see that awful charlatan being unambiguously described as such in a very public way. Every time I see that man's face in the media, I wonder how so many were taken in by such false and transparent charm barely concealing such self-interested use of Irish politics.

Good on you Stephen!
 


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Its very simple.

Ahern was a closet Marxist who

a]Pandered constantly to the shallow left wing communications media who uncritically lauded his so called working mans credentials ie love of the pint & soccer.
The type of inverse snobbery that destroys societies

b] Gave the public service unions lots of pay rises by impoverishing the private sector worker.
This is legalized theft to maintain political power.

[Watch as the Greens promote carbon taxes on the basis of the false science surrounding climate change. Another form of theft to maintain political power]
 

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No doubt Bertie was was a gob***** of the highest order but how exactly do you think he could have diverted the financial crisis.

If he stood up to the financial institutions it would all still have crashed, so what difference would it have made??
 

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How the feck is that Marxism....he helped create and maintain an elite within the public sector and another in the private sector. Everyone else was blinded by cheap credit and the subsequent greed, and now are the ones in the sh1tter.

Ahern was a goon, drunk on power and corrupt to the hilt.
 

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No doubt Bertie was was a gob***** of the highest order but how exactly do you think he could have diverted the financial crisis.

If he stood up to the financial institutions it would all still have crashed, so what difference would it have made??

Let me guess the next line: "They're all the same". "We are where we are".

FFS, they're NOT all the same. And we are where we are because BAD DECISIONS were made. Repeatedly. By those currently in power. And they won't apologise for it, or allow investigations into why it happened.
 

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Let me guess the next line: "They're all the same". "We are where we are".

FFS, they're NOT all the same. And we are where we are because BAD DECISIONS were made. Repeatedly. By those currently in power. And they won't apologise for it, or allow investigations into why it happened.
You think you can change the system?

Move down here to Cork and I'll give you my vote. You can take it from there.
 

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No doubt Bertie was was a gob***** of the highest order but how exactly do you think he could have diverted the financial crisis.

If he stood up to the financial institutions it would all still have crashed, so what difference would it have made??
Not every OECD country was badly hit by the financial crisis. The fact that we grotesquely overborrowed means that we are at the top of the very-worst-affected list. That is the principal legacy of Ahern's premiership.

How could he have avoided the worst effects of the credit crunch? For a start by avoiding pro-cyclical inflationary policies. By avoiding the stimulus of property development. By not subcontracting government to hundreds of bloated quangos. By developing the state's (still) atrocious infrastructure. By regulating financial practices (incl. excessive mortgage lending). And that's for starters...
 

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Not every OECD country was badly hit by the financial crisis. The fact that we grotesquely overborrowed means that we are at the top of the very-worst-affected list. That is the principal legacy of Ahern's premiership.

How could he have avoided the worst effects of the credit crunch? For a start by avoiding pro-cyclical inflationary policies. By avoiding the stimulus of property development. By not subcontracting government to hundreds of bloated quangos. By developing the state's (still) atrocious infrastructure. By regulating financial practices (incl. excessive mortgage lending). And that's for starters...
+1. And it's not as if what you say are difficult or ideological issues, they're what is to be expected from a prudent, competent government.
 

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" The most cunning and the most devious of them all", Gangster boss Charles Haughey on his protege Bertie Ahern.
 
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In a piece on what the Opposition should be getting across to voters before the next election, Stephen Collins had the following to say about the previous Taoiseach: "[...] it is becoming clearer by the day that Ahern was probably the worst leader the country ever had and people in all walks of life are now suffering because of his incompetent management of the economy": Opposition parties must tell electorate hard truths - The Irish Times - Sat, Jan 02, 2010

That's pretty hard-hitting stuff, but it's refreshing to see that awful charlatan being unambiguously described as such in a very public way. Every time I see that man's face in the media, I wonder how so many were taken in by such false and transparent charm barely concealing such self-interested use of Irish politics.

Good on you Stephen!
he's up there alright but sociopath that he is,he believes he is so beloved of the people he is considering a bid for the Presidency.Anyone buy his book?
 

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How the feck is that Marxism....he helped create and maintain an elite within the public sector and another in the private sector. Everyone else was blinded by cheap credit and the subsequent greed, and now are the ones in the sh1tter.

Ahern was a goon, drunk on power and corrupt to the hilt.
+1
 

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He's probably right. Although hindsight is a wonderful thing. And I don't recall the Irish Times, or any other mainstream media outlet, seriously challenge Bertieconomics i.e. tax cuts and massive spending increases. In fact, I can recall Irish Times editorials where they criticised the government for not spending even more on certain favoured causes.
 

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Not every OECD country was badly hit by the financial crisis. The fact that we grotesquely overborrowed means that we are at the top of the very-worst-affected list. That is the principal legacy of Ahern's premiership.

How could he have avoided the worst effects of the credit crunch? For a start by avoiding pro-cyclical inflationary policies. By avoiding the stimulus of property development. By not subcontracting government to hundreds of bloated quangos. By developing the state's (still) atrocious infrastructure. By regulating financial practices (incl. excessive mortgage lending). And that's for starters...
He could have avoided it by refusing to engage in profligate waste using the taxpayers own money to buy votes in two successive elections and by curbing the unhealthy greedy appetites of bankers ,builders and property developers.
 
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How the feck is that Marxism....he helped create and maintain an elite within the public sector and another in the private sector. Everyone else was blinded by cheap credit and the subsequent greed, and now are the ones in the sh1tter.

Ahern was a goon, drunk on power and corrupt to the hilt.
Bertie quotes 'I'm one of the last socialists left in Irish politics.' (December, 2004)

And before we go there, Socialism vs Marxism..6 of one half a a dozen of the other...

Bertie Ahern - Wikiquote
 

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Its very simple.

Ahern was a closet Marxist who

a]Pandered constantly to the shallow left wing communications media who uncritically lauded his so called working mans credentials ie love of the pint & soccer.
The type of inverse snobbery that destroys societies

b] Gave the public service unions lots of pay rises by impoverishing the private sector worker.
This is legalized theft to maintain political power.

[Watch as the Greens promote carbon taxes on the basis of the false science surrounding climate change. Another form of theft to maintain political power]

Well, i know some in the private sector who to this day think that Bertie was Gods gift to them
 
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He's probably right. Although hindsight is a wonderful thing. And I don't recall the Irish Times, or any other mainstream media outlet, seriously challenge Bertieconomics i.e. tax cuts and massive spending increases. In fact, I can recall Irish Times editorials where they criticised the government for not spending even more on certain favoured causes.
You can't seriously imagine that the political elite in Ireland are getting away with theivery and venality without media collusion now to do you? They are are comfy bed-fellows,fellow travellers.
 

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Not every OECD country was badly hit by the financial crisis. The fact that we grotesquely overborrowed means that we are at the top of the very-worst-affected list. That is the principal legacy of Ahern's premiership.

How could he have avoided the worst effects of the credit crunch? For a start by avoiding pro-cyclical inflationary policies. By avoiding the stimulus of property development. By not subcontracting government to hundreds of bloated quangos. By developing the state's (still) atrocious infrastructure. By regulating financial practices (incl. excessive mortgage lending). And that's for starters...
-1, I can distinctly remember all the mass media calling for restraint on borrowing, denouncing the proporty boom and demanding that "Our House" not be shown on RTE, not! Quite the opposite in fact. In my humble opinion the media are as much too blame as Bertie for the mess we are in now.
 

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