See regardless of the FF manifesto FF were heading into government. It was evident from early MRBI polls that the PDs were going to hurt FG in particular and that the Labour vote was in freefall. FF were bound to gain more seats and Haughey would have got a majority had he introduced vote management. Whatever about the manifesto the decision to bring MacSharry back from Brussels showed that he was serious about tackling the public finances and FF had committed themselves to reducing taxation from 1985 onwards.BarryW said:Yanking the proverbial chain Barry. I know you get things right and that I do too but in future don't start a fact war with me as it brings out my cantankerous side as I warn people on the wiki (only in jest I stress).Really?! I'd be interested to see any occasions where I've been shown up.
Its usually Rockofcashel and TlWhiskers who bear the brunt of it - but they're fair game, I admit......
[quote:23uher5d]The only problem was that it was not what the people voteed for. Haughey lied to the electorate in a cynical attempt to grab power, and broke every promise he had made by making worse cuts than were being proposed by FG.thegeneral said:This government saw FF under Haughey tackle the problems, which I'll admit were ignored from Feb-Dec 82, but you on the other hand won't admit FG and Labour ignored them from 81-82 and Dec 82-87. Was what was enacted by O'Hanlon as the Minister not what FG would have done Barry? Was it not correct
Please don't try to paint this period as a huge patriotic act on Haughey's behalf. He lied to the voters, and made irresponsible promises he knew he couldn't keep.
Well Lynch's authority was really humbled by St. Jim Gibshot (that's Gibbons) for the uninitiated who became the first Minister ever to vote against their government over Haughey's bill to legalise contraception in 79. Gibbons wasn't sacked by Lynch just as in 1970 when he decided not to sack him either because he was afraid of what songs St. Jim might sing. PD theology tells us otherwise but Gibbons' actions that escaped discipline encouraged McEllistrim and Loughnane to call Lynch a liar over the air corridor issue and led them to start to work for Haughey over fears that Colley would be the heir apparent given the then imminent retirement of a lame duck leader. While the 2 by-elections losses in Cork were the last hurrah or so to speak some suggest had Lynch gone to the people in 79 and not fought the by-elections he could have got back with a reduced majority and copperfastened the succession to Colley. I don't believe that though. The European Elections had seen FF get 39% of the vote as against 53-4% in 77.Really? Wasn't Lynch booted out midstream, because of poor ratings??
Reynolds got the axe for a similar reason (but he provided a nice excuse for FF to give him the boot)
thegeneral said:The important point you're overlooking is that the party's worst day was in a local and European election
Well I wouldn't call Kildare safe FF territory. We lost every by-election during the 28th Dáil and still got back in though.Don't forget the trouncing in two bye-elections in safe FF constituencies (this was what did for Lynch in '79, remember....) - or the continued slide in the opinion polls since last March.
Oh I'm just stirring the pot but FG will have some dodgy conventions in the next while where the option of adding people on to the ticket may have to suffice rather than risk a possible independent candidacy. A number of these instances could spread the vote too thin. I'm just thinking off hand of say Wexford, Dublin NE, Dun Laoghaire, Limerick East, Longford/Westmeath and Roscommon/Sth Leitrim.What possible basis do you have to say this? Can you give us any examples?
thegeneral said:By the way of you think FF are short of canvassers you're an idiot and I doubt you've ever seen an FF canvass
I was referring to a general rather than a local election. I know FF councillors who canvass alone and head the poll, I even know one who doesn't canvass and still does it. In many local election campaigns the candidate prefers a family run campaign. I wouldn't count the Bourke example as a good benchmark. I met him when he was looking for a Senate vote and he was then one of the most cantankerous and obnoxious people you could meet, it wouldn't surprise me if he had no-one to canvass with.Last May while canvassing in Limerick we met Jack Bourke, an ageing Councillor, not in good health, canvassing on his own. We were stunned to see it, but it highlighted one thing to me - that the FF membership in most of the country is very old and completely inactive.
Incidentally, Bourke lost half his votes to Fine Gael, and lost his seat to Labour.
[/quote:23uher5d]Unless you're referring specifically to UCD then you're waaay wide of the mark.
What figures are you basing this on?
I wouldn't expect a Fine Gaeler to understand any political issue more complex than the location of pot holes.BarryW said:DOD - did you write Theresa Ferris' accepance speech by any chance?!DOD said:Yes, I would have a certain admiration for anyone involved in the arms trial issue. However, he didn't exactly kick up a fuss when that evil b-i-t-c-h was letting ten Irishmen die on hunger strike.
She thinks the State is to blame for daddy's unfortunate incarceration (and not his decision to become a terrorist)
And likewise, you seem to blame Mrs. Thatcher for the death of H-Block criminals (and not their decision to abstain from eating food)
Oh well !
One has to put up with such oddities in Shinner land i suppose!
+1If things had turned out differently, Albert would have been the best president this dear auld isle had ever seen.
He would also have bagged the Nobel prize for peace.