Alcohol 'most harmful drug'.

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Study: Alcohol 'most harmful drug,' followed by crack and heroin.

A panel of experts weighed the physical, psychological and social problems caused by the drugs and determined that alcohol was the most harmful overall, according to an article on the study released by The Lancet Sunday.
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Heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine were the most harmful drugs to individuals, the study says, while alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the most harmful to others.
In the article, the panelists said their findings show that Britain's three-tiered drug classification system, which places drugs into different categories that determine criminal penalties for possession and dealing, has "little relation to the evidence of harm."
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/01/alcohol.harm/index.html?hpt=C1


Interesting results when you consider the wider implications of alcohol (beyond the user).
No doubt this report will be attacked by the various VIs, but for the moment, it puts it in perspective.
 


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Well Alcohol is an awful problem in this country, but will never be dealt with because we're all alcoholics of some kind.

The only cure to this problem is to legalise Marijuana. Increase the price of alchohol, introduce low alcohol level drinks at lower prices while increasing higher percentage alcohols.

Introduce alcohol to people at 16. Provide a class a week in scool during 2nd year to highlight the positive and negative effects of alcohol. Promote the new 2.5% alcohols.
 

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Read somewhere that if alcohol was introduced to humanity now.
A pint a year would be all you could have because of toxicity, healt and safety etc, etc.
Another outbreak of earnest well intentioned cause facism.
 

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We all know this already, no need for a study. Hike taxes on booze in the upcoming budget... a euro for every drink sold would bring in at least 1 billion........
 

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Leave the booze alone, look what the clowns did in America and are still making matters worse today.
 

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But alcohol effectively keeps peoples brains from working properly.

If they clamp down on alcohol they'll have to put something in the water supply and that could be worse.
 

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No doubt about it. I would be doing a hell of a lot less ambulance calls if it were not for alcohol. Be it the unconscious 15 year old getting hammered on a dolly mixture,the assault cases that make up the bulk of a saturday night or the 50 year olds with liver failure.
It is used in moderation by the vast majority of individuals. Like all drugs there are some who take it to an extreme and some who get addicted to it.
Legalising Marijuana wont make any difference. I certainly would not object to it being legalised here. I dont get many cases to solely marijuana related incidents.
I dont however subscribe to the view that since poison A is legal we should also legalise poison B. That seems a bit stupid.
 

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No doubt about it. I would be doing a hell of a lot less ambulance calls if it were not for alcohol. Be it the unconscious 15 year old getting hammered on a dolly mixture,the assault cases that make up the bulk of a saturday night or the 50 year olds with liver failure.
It is used in moderation by the vast majority of individuals. Like all drugs there are some who take it to an extreme and some who get addicted to it.
Legalising Marijuana wont make any difference. I certainly would not object to it being legalised here. I dont get many cases to solely marijuana related incidents.
I dont however subscribe to the view that since poison A is legal we should also legalise poison B. That seems a bit stupid.
strange you refer to cannabis as a posion, why is that?
 

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No doubt about it. I would be doing a hell of a lot less ambulance calls if it were not for alcohol. Be it the unconscious 15 year old getting hammered on a dolly mixture,the assault cases that make up the bulk of a saturday night or the 50 year olds with liver failure.
It is used in moderation by the vast majority of individuals. Like all drugs there are some who take it to an extreme and some who get addicted to it.
Legalising Marijuana wont make any difference. I certainly would not object to it being legalised here. I dont get many cases to solely marijuana related incidents.
I dont however subscribe to the view that since poison A is legal we should also legalise poison B. That seems a bit stupid.

Define moderation - I don't think it's correct to say it is used in moderation by the vast majority of individuals in Ireland

Alcohol-related harm facts and statistics | Alcohol Action Ireland
 

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No doubt about it. I would be doing a hell of a lot less ambulance calls if it were not for alcohol. Be it the unconscious 15 year old getting hammered on a dolly mixture,the assault cases that make up the bulk of a saturday night or the 50 year olds with liver failure.
It is used in moderation by the vast majority of individuals. Like all drugs there are some who take it to an extreme and some who get addicted to it.
Completely agree, but unfortunately we don't 'do' moderation.
And in Ireland the 'some' is the 'many'.

This is what annoys me about complaints regarding the health services.
I'm convinced Ireland would have one of the best health care systems in the world if the population didn't clog it with avoidable cases due to their diet and lifestyle.
The fact that we have some of the highest levels of heart attacks, strokes, cancers etc in the world is not solely the governments fault.
 

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Study: Alcohol 'most harmful drug,' followed by crack and heroin.

Brian Cowen.
 

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But alcohol effectively keeps peoples brains from working properly.

If they clamp down on alcohol they'll have to put something in the water supply and that could be worse.
Ehhh... they already have! Fluorine!
 

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Study: Alcohol 'most harmful drug,' followed by crack and heroin.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/01/alcohol.harm/index.html?hpt=C1

Interesting results when you consider the wider implications of alcohol (beyond the user).
No doubt this report will be attacked by the various VIs, but for the moment, it puts it in perspective.
One very important aspect is barely mentioned in this report - Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders (FASD).
Have a look at Alcohol and pregnancy | Alcohol Action Ireland


It says there, "The foetus is especially vulnerable to brain injury at particular stages of its development. Damage can occur particularly in the first three months of pregnancy, and also from the seventh month of pregnancy on when the brain experiences a growth spurt. This damage can later show up in the form of behavioural, social, learning and attention difficulties in childhood, adolescence and throughout adulthood. As such, there can be lifelong consequences for an individual with any of the conditions among the FASD."

And "Why is it surprising that women in Ireland continue to drink during their pregnancies? In the most recent European study of 15 and 16-year-olds more Irish girls (44%) than boys (42%) reported ‘binge’ drinking during the past month.iii Over half (54%) said they were drunk at least once by the age of 16. Frequent and heavy drinking has become the norm with Ireland near the top of the European poll when it comes to the amount we drink in a year, and the amount we drink in a session.iv Ireland has the third highest per adult consumption rate out of 26 EU countries."

This is a massive Public Health issue and it's getting attention elsewhere. Why is it mentioned so rarely here?

You do have to wonder if Mr and Mrs A. in the recent Roscommon Child Abuse case might have had FASD?

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No doubt about it. I would be doing a hell of a lot less ambulance calls if it were not for alcohol. Be it the unconscious 15 year old getting hammered on a dolly mixture,the assault cases that make up the bulk of a saturday night or the 50 year olds with liver failure.
It is used in moderation by the vast majority of individuals. Like all drugs there are some who take it to an extreme and some who get addicted to it.
Legalising Marijuana wont make any difference. I certainly would not object to it being legalised here. I dont get many cases to solely marijuana related incidents.
I dont however subscribe to the view that since poison A is legal we should also legalise poison B. That seems a bit stupid.
ALL substances are poisons. There is none that is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy. - (Paracelsus back in the 16th century)
The recent legislation on psychoactive substances is flawed. No psychoactive substances should be sold. End of. If the alcoholics and the junkies have a problem with it they should get treatment programs in place.
As for moderation, well if you subscribe to letting adults have responsible choice then you must entrust them with the ability to be moderate in their use of ANY psychoactive substance or poison. Otherwise you're babysitting the public.
I would say to each his own poison. Or NO poisons at all. one or the other. As a species we have been regularly getting the psychoactive substances out through the years. They should all be licensed and taxed or they should all be made illegal.
Smoking in the workplace used to be socially acceptable, but we now know it is not.

Selling drugs (alcohol) is socially acceptable. But should not be. It contributes nothing to society. Unless your proud of licensed drug dealers having a job.
Everyone and their dog knows that alcohol is a very dangerous substance.
Even Cowen is whacked off his face on the stuff from time to time eg Farmleigh shindig.
Well Brian I will raise to you a parting glass, farewell and MUGA be to you all.
The brain damage alcohol induces is clear for all to see, you begin to slur your words for a start.
 
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Wouldn't that cause a revolution in ireland and germany?:lol:
It's a very serious issue, Taxi.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is among the most common known causes of mental retardation and as such, it is a major public health problem; it's considered as such in the US and Canada, here it's being ignored.

Have a look at 'Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and Fetal Alcohol Effects' http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu/Lit/Lectures/RSALectures/riley.pdf - The Law & Order Brigade will be particularly interested in Slide 14 on page 22: Mental Health Problems, Trouble with the Law, Inappropriate Sexual Behaviour, etc.
 

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It's a very serious issue, Taxi.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is among the most common known causes of mental retardation and as such, it is a major public health problem; it's considered as such in the US and Canada, here it's being ignored.

Have a look at 'Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and Fetal Alcohol Effects' http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu/Lit/Lectures/RSALectures/riley.pdf - The Law & Order Brigade will be particularly interested in Slide 14 on page 22: Mental Health Problems, Trouble with the Law, Inappropriate Sexual Behaviour, etc.
Women shouldn't drink when they are pregnant. But id be pissed off if i had to pay more to drink,cause of some idiots that arn't responsible.
 

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I dont buy the argument that because alcohol is a costly legal drug to manage that this justifies legalizing another drug like marijuana. If marijuana were to be legalized then the State would be spending a fortune on the regulatory infrastructure that would inevitably have to be built around the sale and supply of the drug. We put up with alcohol because it is impossible to ban (it has been around for too long and it is too easy to make). We should not go down the road of making more work for ourselves.
 


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