Alepp <=> Mosul : Four legs good, Two legs bad!

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Airstrikes in Aleppo, shelling in south kill 20 | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Dozens of ISIS militants killed in coalition airstrikes, Peshmerga shelling near Mosul - ARA News



I turn on the box on Sunday and the civilized world is mobilized against Russia for its role in massacring civilians in Aleppo.
I turn on the box on Monday and the Mainstream Media announce the impending capture of Musul -- where tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of civilians are trapped.

I wonder are they both connected? You take that city Aleppo and we'll take that city Mosul. So, there!

It is one of the tragedies of modern warfare and perhaps it deserves some discussion on Pie. Recall how some patriotic Russian backwoodsmen in the Ukraine captured Slavonsk... there was a gun battle and then the fled to Luhansk, a much bigger and more strategic city. The Ukrainian army responded ( I hope I'm telling history correctly) by shelling parts of the city. Naturally civilians were the casualty. Of course the rebels took protection wherever they could.
Is this the pattern of modern warfare?
 


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Notice how the media can never seem to find a photo of a hospital ward in Mosul? Or a bloodied kid?

Notice how the US and EU founded the White Helmets in Syria but never founded or funded a similar group in Iraq?

Notice how Irish journalists call Mosul an "military operation" and Aleppo an "onslaught" and "war crime"?

The blatant hypocrisy of western media was laid bare this week.
 

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Notice how the media can never seem to find a photo of a hospital ward in Mosul? Or a bloodied kid?

Notice how the US and EU founded the White Helmets in Syria but never founded or funded a similar group in Iraq?

Notice how Irish journalists call Mosul an "military operation" and Aleppo an "onslaught" and "war crime"?

The blatant hypocrisy of western media was laid bare this week.
The White Helmets are Nusra's undertakers. Total fakes and hard evidence of the war crimes the West has committed against Syrians. The difference between Syria and Iraq is Hezbollah and Russia stepped in to stop NATO doing a Yemen/Iraq/Libya on Syris after the heroes of the Syrian Arab Army kept the savages at bay for as long as they could (April 2014 when the Turks flooded Idlib with head hackers)

Mary Fitzgerald was calling the most extreme terrorists moderates. She and those who promoted her have major questions to answer.
 

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The civillians in Mosul are human shields apparently.

Isis

Of course the jihadis in Aleppo would never do the same.
 

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Of course there will be lots of suffering and blood-shed in the war-torn countries, East and West will make dark threats towards one-another about nuclear destruction... but your Seán pay-check, when you get down to it just wants to pay off his mortgage, to have his two, three weeks holiday in Spain and a health service that's not third world.
Thermo-nuclear war over what's-it-called-again? Donetsk? Crimea?
Sadly these things come close to happening.
 

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What would happen if the west backed out of everywhere overnight ?
Every western army just headed home.
No overseas military bases, no foreign wars, no propping up foreign dictators.
Just up sticks and leave.
 

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Peace might break out and we couldn't have that happening now, could we?
 

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Peace might break out and we couldn't have that happening now, could we?
IS will just give it all up and shut up shop, the Beseiging Shia and Kurds at Mosul will pack their bags will walk home to Baghdad and Basra. The Iranian-trained militias will stop persecuting Sunnis. Nusra, Assad, FSA, the Turkmens (and Turks) and all the rest of the factions will will stop fighting. Russia will stop bombing. In Yemen, the Saudi-supported faction and the Houthis will become pals and in Afghanistan,the government, the Taliban and IS will bury the hatchet. The Jihadis in Mali won't even think about returning or about sneaking back into Algeria. Yes, very likely.
And no doubt, the Chinese won't spy an opportunity and dive in feet-first
 
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Notice how the media can never seem to find a photo of a hospital ward in Mosul? Or a bloodied kid?

Notice how the US and EU founded the White Helmets in Syria but never founded or funded a similar group in Iraq?

Notice how Irish journalists call Mosul an "military operation" and Aleppo an "onslaught" and "war crime"?

The blatant hypocrisy of western media was laid bare this week.
been looking somewhat bemused at the coverage of both combat zones.

RTE and co have been going off on one in alepo for ages now and its all faux outrage - and lets be honest taking a sly dig at the ruskies , while the yanks and their mates decide to do the same with mosul and apparetnly its TOTALLY different.

:D :D :D :D :D

currently im waiting for ISIS to kick their arses there again so i can see how it gets spun this time as right now the coverage is looking like its franchised from trey parker and matt stone.

i mean jesus its just embarrassing to here them call ISIS "so called ISIS" in every news report on the subject .

its like the fuking script has been greenlit by washington.

i'd lay money on half the country not actually KNOWING what it stands for ! such is the state of debate in this country now.

its gas to see partisan reporting in action.
 

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... The blatant hypocrisy of western media was laid bare this week.
You're right.

There's a very sensible discussion of the realities in this May 2016 discussion here -


[video=youtube;ocUrto8VHFU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocUrto8VHFU[/video]


The two speakers seem to know what they're talking about; so it was scarey when one of them says that the bulk of ISIS's foreign fighters come from just a small number of places, and then instances that around 800 of those fighting in Syria have come from Britain.
 

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You're right.

There's a very sensible discussion of the realities in this May 2016 discussion here -


[video=youtube;ocUrto8VHFU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocUrto8VHFU[/video]


The two speakers seem to know what they're talking about; so it was scarey when one of them says that the bulk of ISIS's foreign fighters come from just a small number of places, and then instances that around 800 of those fighting in Syria have come from Britain.
Don't forget the Irish Brigade: the Dublin sniper, and his boss.

Leading international terrorist and mass murderer Mahdi al-Harati, who is conveniently married to an Irish
woman, makes a very disturbing case study. This “Irish freedom fighter” and suspected CIA agent founded the
banned Islamic terrorist organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), which are responsible for a host
of war crimes in Libya and Syria. In discussing al-Harati's Syrian invasion force, Reuters reported
that "the Libyans aiding the Syrian rebels include specialists in communications, logistics, humanitarian issues and heavy weapons" and that they "operate training bases, teaching fitness and battlefield tactics."
This report leads us to ask in what Dublin mosque did Harati and his fellow cut throats gain and assemble their
considerable expertise and how these “Irish” cut throats managed to shift so much weaponry from distant Libya
to distant Syria. Either Harati and his fellow mercenaries are very capable and have huge resources or else the
CIA, NATO and terrorist groups in league with them handled the logistics. Because NATO, Gulf State and
international terrorist group, including Turkey's Grey Wolves, helped these “Irish” cut throats move from Libya to
Syria, that is a major security concern not only for Syrians but for Ireland and for all of Europe as well. That being
so, Harati and his “Irish” cohorts are very dangerous international terrorists and should be doing the very long jail
sentences Irish courts dole out for those convicted of directing terrorist murder gangs.
When Harati led the Al Qaeda brigade which besieged the Rixos Hotel in Tripoli in August 2011, Khamis Gaddafi,
the Libyan leader's youngest son, claims French intelligence assigned Harati the missions of capturing the
Libyan leaders' families, who were sheltering in a secret facility of the hotel, and of murdering former
congressman and Martin Luther King assistant, Walter Fauntroy, who was staying at the Rixos. French
intelligence also assigned Harati the task of murdering two Voltaire Network collaborators, Thierry Meyssan and
Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya, who were based at the Radisson Hotel, where al-Harati operated his torture center.
After proving his mettle with numerous war crimes like these in Libya, Harati, with the ever dependable Irish
journalist Mary Fitzgerald in tow, decamped to Syria in October 2011, where Qatar organized a base camp on
the Turkish border for him, where he hosted gullible Western reporters and spun them yarns about the Syrian
and Libyan “revolutions”. Mary Fitzgerald and others regurgitated many of these implausible ISIS yarns through
the Irish media.
Although he has a host of war crimes charges to answer from Libya and Syria, Harati may have seen prior
“active service.” Former Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar claims Mahdi al-Harati is still wanted in Spain for his
involvement in the Madrid bombings of March 11, 2004 and Harati also went on the 2010 Gaza-bound Mavi
Marmara "Freedom Flotilla”, either out of conviction or as a MI6 and CIA plant as has been widely alleged, given
the accumulation of evidence pointing to that conclusion.
Libyan-Irish “activist” Mahdi al-Harati is shown here at the right kissing notorious Turkish Muslim Brotherhood
godfather Turkey's President Erdoğan
at Ataturk Hospital, Ankara on 3 June 2010 where Qatar’s Foreign
Minister Ahmed bin Abdullah al-Mahmoud was also present. That Harati would be allowed get so familiar with
Erdoğan, the war criminal most responsible for the massive loss of life in Syria, tells its own story of Ireland's
complicity in the Muslim Brotherhood's Syrian extermination campaign.
The fact that Harati openly met these two toerags, who are most responsible not only for the Syrian carnage but
also for the logistics behind it, should be a major security concern to Ireland. The further fact that Islamic
operatives and their supporters in Ireland tried to get Mohammed al-Arifi, the notorious Saudi Wahhabi preacher
and child sex jihad recruiter, who has spoken at seminal Hand in Hand for Syria events in England, to tour
Ireland "for a few months" is also a major source of concern, as is the fact that al-Arifi's Irish and British based
contacts and facilitators, which may well include Harati and his throat cutting chums, remain at large. Allied to
this, as Irish based Muslim clerics have openly stated that ISIS organize through a number of Irish mosques, two
notorious ones in particular, Ireland's overall balance sheet is dire. Ireland has sent squads of cut throats to rape,
enslave and murder Arabs and, thanks to Qatar, Turkey and the CIA, those cut throats have solid organizational
networks in Ireland. Harati, then, is just the tip of a very nasty ISIS/CIA/NATO iceberg.
Housam “Sam” Najjair strongly believes his experiences of slaughtering Libyans and Syrians deserve to
be made into a Call of Duty type movie and, presumably, Call of Duty video game. As his Kickstarter blurb
constantly cites the Call of Duty shoot em up video game which, along with his mother, seem to form the
inspiration for his crimes, one has to wonder about how shallow and simplistic his political biases are. The blurb
tells us that his mother encouraged him to go and kill Arabs as "son, now you are going to learn what you are
made of as a man". Although the blurb tells us that “Sam is no advocate of war mongering”, yet his ability to kill
innocent Syrians and Libyans is, as evident by the constant Call to Duty refrain, the movie's main selling point.
Though “Sam” even admits that innocents were murdered and raped, children were orphaned and families and
communities were ripped apart, he seems to absolve himself from blame because, in his own mother's words,
becoming a rapacious criminal made him a man.
Najjair tells us that when he and his “Irish” cronies landed in Libya, they “and several hundred men gathered in a
rebel barracks – an old converted school – to train and prepare for the drive to Tripoli”. He does not tell us who
put that gig together: whether it was the CIA, Qatari or ISIS affiliates. He does, however, reinforce the Harati CIA
rat line by telling us that he “met representatives of NATO and foreign covert operatives”. Although he mentions
in passing the myriad rapes and the summary executions, he tries to exonerate himself and his fellow murderers
from these crimes and to distance themselves from their ISIS allies. Tellingly he says “My own mother is a strong
advocate for woman's rights in Islam and so I have a strong connection to that issue,” an indication perhaps that
his mother was “an activist” for many years and should therefore also be arrested.
“Irish Sam” also has the gall to tell us that he is the victim. As his idiotic Kickstarter blurb puts it: “Sam also
experienced the true cost of the conflict. He lost a close friend, Atif, in battle and met everywhere with first-hand
horror stories of rape, torture and execution”. Before we launch a telethon for him and his equally repulsive
mother, we should note that the Libyan rebel gangs Sam shacked up with not only raped women and children,
used torture on an industrial scale and lynched hundreds of black Africans and tribesmen out of hand but that
their barbarities continue unabated to this day.
Najjair tells us that he then returned to Ireland to regroup, before joining a Syrian invasion force “with senior
commanders of the Lions of the Tripoli Brigade, to provide humanitarian, logistic and training assistance to the innocent civilians combating the onslaught of the Bashar Assad Regime”. So there we have it. “Irish Sam” admits
to invading secular Syria, a second country he had no right to invade in the company of very sinister elements.
The blurb tells us the fear Najjair and his Syrian invasion force had “from traitors or moles” and, having seen or
knowing about a thousand or so ISIS videos, we can guess how Sam and his fellow Islamic invaders dispatched
those unfortunates. Although Najjair says he “inevitably came into contact with ISIS”, he claims to be “a
moderate Muslim”, who just goes around invading secular countries.
Tiring of his “partly humanitarian and partly military training”, he tells us that he returned to Ireland, where he had
suffered so much growing up as a Muslim in a tolerant Western society. However, Najjair missed the blood letting
and returned to kill some more in Libya “and this time he brought a Go Pro camera with him”.
Najjair is now back in Ireland, sponging off the Irish tax payer he despises. He tells us that “he wants security, he
wants to be able to support a family and plan for a positive future” but that will take superhuman effort or, as he
puts it, “an immense amount of will power – perhaps even greater than that which propelled him to survive at
war”. Yet most ordinary Irish, Syrian and Libyan people can do this as a matter of course and these ordinary
people include not only the Irish work force, whose taxes he leeches off, but Syrian state employees who were
massacred by Najjair's Call of Duty invasion force for no other reason than they did their humble jobs as
government clerks, post office officials or the like.
Having first admitted that he is a “moderate Muslim” murderer, he then claims he is an “Irish man inspired not by
religion but by nationalist pride and solidarity with the oppressed he has chosen to make a similar journey yet
Islam is not his motivation”. If that is the case, why did he go to Syria and Libya to kill their civilians? Why did he
not try to bring “freedom” to other countries that were not facing an Islamic rebellion?
Although Najjair concludes his nonsense by telling us that “the revolution ...was driven by something simple and
pure and universal – a desire for freedom and justice”, the truth of the matter is more prosaic. Najjair committed
mass murder for sinister groups that robbed Libyans and Syrians not only of “freedom and justice” but of their
lives as well. The only “freedom and justice” that exist in Syria are in those areas that have not been over run by
Najjair and his fellow Call of Duty invaders. Assuming Najjair wants to be a worthwhile member of Western
society, he has, at the very least, a lot of rehabilitation to do. Had he committed and been convicted of the crimes
he boasts of committing in Syria and Libya in a Western jurisdiction, he would not be bumming money to make a
narcissistic movie but would be facing life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
This is all the more so as ISIS in Libya now form a greater threat to Europe than ISIS in Syria or anywhere else.
That the Irish and Western media shilled for reprobates like Najjair and Harati is a sad indictment of the Western
media's deliberate complicity in Libya's destruction and one they must answer for.
 

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More Dead "Irish" Flotsam

An Irish-based thug who died committing serious crimes in Syria was described in the Irish Sun newspaper
as a “good-looking lad” and as a “martyr”. This newspaper never described dead IRA or British IRA squaddies in such
terms but a thug who abused Irish hospitality to go and kill Libyan and Syrian children gets crowned with such
laurels. Not to be outdone, controversial Irish Times journalist Mary Fitzgerald, who has a very unhealthy
relationship with the gangsters who destroyed Libya before moving on to rape Syria
wrote here about these two “martyrs of Louth and Meath” but she seems to have removed this and other pieces linking her to these notorious war criminals. This is important as the remains of Oliver Plunkett, Ireland’s most revered (and peaceful) saint, resides in Louth, in the actual town where the father of one of these deceased criminals works and where Pope John Paul made a point of visiting and honoring in his plea for people to pursue peaceful not violent means of conflict resolution. Fitzgerald has a nefarious agenda here by trying to conflate traditional and revered Irish Christian martyr pacifists, who died because of their faith, with low-life mercenary criminals who slaughter people of faith.
Regarding Shamseddin Gaidan, the other deceased criminal, she tells us, that this Libyan-born Meath
schoolboy, “told his schoolfriends and teachers how much he wanted to be there to witness the revolution that
ended Gadafy’s 42 years in power”. Hopefully, they reported the teenage hood’s desire to “witness” to the Irish
police, who hopefully have his family and their associates under constant surveillance with a view to either
imprisoning or deporting them if they want to give “witness”.
The other thug, 22-year-old Hudhaifa ElSayed, from Donacarney in Drogheda, was well known to the police and,
according to Fitzgerald, “knew exactly what he was doing”. Abdel Basset, his Egyptian father, unsurprisingly
perhaps, is a doctor, a surgeon.ElSayed, Fitzgerald tells us, was one of a number of Irish-based murderers who went to Libya and, happy they had helped heap chaos on it, moved on to Syria to repeat the process. Fitzgerald recounts how she had met this criminal when she illegally entered Syria as an embedded reporter with his death squad and, as if trying to convince us that all mass murderers are harmless cartoonish freaks, she recounts how “His wire-rimmed glasses seemed incongruous alongside his military-style fatigues and the Kalashnikov slung across his back”. Fitzgerald tells us that Asmaa, the late thug’s mother, who has not yet been deported from Ireland, “told him it is okay” to effectively go and rape and pillage his way around Syria. Her equally fanatical husband believes their gang member son “died for a great thing.” As she does not bother asking what that “great thing” is, we have to assumeit is turning Syria into another Libya rather than another Ireland, from where they pontificate and build the myth that their son was nothing other than the cold-blooded sectarian killer that he clearly was.
Although I believe that these terrorists have been helped on their way by NATO's intelligence services, this
report here recount how a gang of Irish traveler thieves stole €200,000 in cash from the home of “well-
known Irish Libyan freedom fighter Mahdi al-Harati, who was one of the leaders of the bloody revolt against
Gaddafi” and that al-Harati admitted to Irish police that the cash came from American CIA agents for his Libyan
and Syrian work.
 

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Peace might break out and we couldn't have that happening now, could we?
Sure. Saddam attacked Iran under which western tutelage ?
 

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Iranian leaders, including Khomeini and his successor Ali Khamenei, have long espoused a conspiracy theory in which the U.S. gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to launch the invasion of Iran—something U.S. officials "have unanimously and vociferously denied." In fact, Iranian suspicions that the U.S. would use Iraq to retaliate for the hostage-taking predated the invasion, as Carter noted in his diary on April 10, 1980: "The Iranian terrorists are making all kinds of crazy threats to kill the American hostages if they are invaded by Iraq—whom they identify as an American puppet.
This is what happens when you did something up on the inter web but don't read it properly.
 

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The US of course and your point is?
Prove it.

White recalls: "The outbreak of war did, in fact, come as a surprise to most of us because a decent portion of Iraq's ground forces were still in garrison. The hasty movement of the remaining units up to the front immediately after the beginning of major hostilities was the activity that tended to nudge me toward the abrupt scenario in which Saddam ordered the attack before all military preparations had been completed."[5] In sum, "it is unlikely that the United States was ever in possession of clear evidence of Saddam's intention to invade Iran. Although the Carter administration drastically underestimated the scale of Saddam's plans, the disorganized and apparently impetuous nature of the invasion, with much of the Iraqi army still in garrison, and occurring in the context of border skirmishes and aggressive propaganda, muddied the waters for U.S. observers."[4]
 
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