Alex Kane: Abandoned DUP left high, dry and mostly friendless

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Where stands the ‘precious union’ when both Theresa May and Boris Johnson seem prepared to play fast and loose with it? More important, what does the DUP do now?

What way forward for unionism? Would it be possible for the DUP finally to understand the bible and make real peace with SF??
 


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Where stands the ‘precious union’ when both Theresa May and Boris Johnson seem prepared to play fast and loose with it? More important, what does the DUP do now?

What way forward for unionism? Would it be possible for the DUP finally to understand the bible and make real peace with SF??


One does not have to be a keen follower of Irish politics to know that nobody could work with those cave dwellers.....end of.
 

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Where stands the ‘precious union’ when both Theresa May and Boris Johnson seem prepared to play fast and loose with it? More important, what does the DUP do now?

What way forward for unionism? Would it be possible for the DUP finally to understand the bible and make real peace with SF??



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Where stands the ‘precious union’ when both Theresa May and Boris Johnson seem prepared to play fast and loose with it? More important, what does the DUP do now?

What way forward for unionism? Would it be possible for the DUP finally to understand the bible and make real peace with SF??
If you're referring to loving your enemies and the concept of forgiveness they refer to individuals and have no collective relevance.
 

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If you're referring to loving your enemies and the concept of forgiveness they refer to individuals and have no collective relevance.

I would disagree with the idea that forgiveness is not something a society should consider in relation to events that have occurred. Forgiveness is often the best way to deal with a "wrong".
 

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Alex Kane: Abandoned DUP left high, dry and mostly friendless
2 laws in a week I bet you wish you’d given Irish don’t you Dodds?

Lying is in Bojo’s nature, betrayed you see election chances drop

Now you’ve got gay recognition
Now abortion you can’t ever stop

You wasted all your leverage
Putting all your trust in someone you should not
 
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The protocol for the north (don’t call it the NI only backstop) is a clear loosening of the union. No longer can any politician claim the north is an integral part of the uk. It clearly is not.

We’ll see the all Ireland economy grow and converge year on year. Sooner or later the political set up will follow the economic.

No pity for the DUP. They went for brexit, then tried their best for a hard border and the reinforcement of partition. It’s blew up in their faces. They’ve accelerated a United ireland.

No matter if the deal isn’t passed this week, it will be when Boris wins his general election. The DUP will be back being an irrelevance at Westminster with no assembly in Belfast. After a couple of years on the main stage, the DUP will soon be outside the theatre.
 
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Where stands the ‘precious union’ when both Theresa May and Boris Johnson seem prepared to play fast and loose with it? More important, what does the DUP do now?

What way forward for unionism? Would it be possible for the DUP finally to understand the bible and make real peace with SF??
To be fair, Theresa May was not playing fast and loose with it. She recognised that no deal would be the biggest risk to the union given that it would likely drive up support for Irish unity.

She negotiated a deal that would keep the whole of the UK in a form of customs union to eliminate border checks between GB and NI. She agreed to set out in law that GB would unilaterally and voluntarily align with EU standards and regulations applied in NI in order to minimise any regulatory checks between GB and NI.

Obviously she took massive heat from her own side for this.

But still that deal - with only the most marginal of borders in the Irish Sea (which reflects the regulatory checks that already have to happen between GB and NI) wasn’t good enough for the men and women who like to say no.

So they’ve ended up with a deal that does much more damage to the Union.

The DUP have had a ‘mare of a year. Saying no has got them:

-abortion and gay marriage in NI.

-increasing calls for Westminster to legislate for the Irish language (including from the Chair of the Commons NI committee).

-their C&S arrangement in tatters and almost certainly a move back to irrelevancy in the next Parliament.

-shedding their label as the party of business and farmers by spending the last year in a pitched battle with NI businesses and farmers.

If they were grownups you might think this would be a lesson that sometimes in politics you need to know when to say yes.
 

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The DUP have had a ‘mare of a year. Saying no has got them:

-abortion and gay marriage in NI.

-increasing calls for Westminster to legislate for the Irish language (including from the Chair of the Commons NI committee).

-their C&S arrangement in tatters and almost certainly a move back to irrelevancy in the next Parliament.

-shedding their label as the party of business and farmers by spending the last year in a pitched battle with NI businesses and farmers.

If they were grownups you might think this would be a lesson that sometimes in politics you need to know when to say yes.

I reckon the Irish language is the next thing Westminister will foist upon them. They can surely do it by the same mechanism that was done for A & GM.

There's one other thing to your list:

- unionists on Irish radio telling us they don't want Brexit. That they want peace and prosperity. Something in all my years of radio I've never heard of before. One memorable quote from a Unionist Farmer I recall was like this

" you wouldn't vote make yourself poorer" but he put it more eloquently. Plus I like the NI male accent.
 
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To be fair, Theresa May was not playing fast and loose with it. She recognised that no deal would be the biggest risk to the union given that it would likely drive up support for Irish unity.
In the short term perhaps, in the medium term a no deal Brexit would end up settling the border question once and for all in favour of partition given all the opportunities it would open up and the fact that the South with it's sycophantic crawling submissiveness to the creepiest elements in Brussels is on an extremely self-destructive course.
 

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In the short term perhaps, in the medium term a no deal Brexit would end up settling the border question once and for all in favour of partition given all the opportunities it would open up and the fact that the South with it's sycophantic crawling submissiveness to the creepiest elements in Brussels is on an extremely self-destructive course.
Eventually the Irish people will decide they are no happier down on their knees to the Eu than they were to the British Empire and the Catholic Church . We don’t work out stuff quick but we do work it out .
 

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The DUP have had a ‘mare of a year.
And it isn't over yet.
The RHI report is due next month, and all the signs are that it will be excoriating. Simon Hamilton, once the DUP's outstanding rising star, has already cut and run. It is difficult to see the party leader not facing a difficult time next month.
 


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